U.S. calls Honduran coup a coup, cuts aid, might not recognize November election results

Story here and here. (Followup to this thread.)

So, now pretty much the entire Western Hemisphere opposes the Micheletti government and wants Zelaya restored to the presidency.

But will it make any difference? Obviously nobody wants to go to the extreme of military intervention, and will anything less make the coup regime let go?

How was it a coup? Didn’t the supreme court say he had to go as he was doing illegal things? Do they not know their own laws?

If they have a new election, how could anyone justify not recognizing it?

Military intervention to install a dictatorship? How does that make sense?

:rolleyes: Have you been following this at all? Zelaya was never a dictator, nor plotting to make himself one; and the Honduran Supreme Court does not have the authority, and never did, to order the military to throw the president out of the country.

I can’t believe our President and Cabinet is selling out an ally who merely had an enforced impeachment. Suppose Richard Nixon had refused to leave the White House: would it be justified for the Secret Service or the military to go in and forcibly make him leave? It’s the same thing here and it’s outrageous President Obama is condemning President Micheletti while at the same time trying to be chummy with Castro and Chavez.

If Nixon hadn’t resigned, he’d have been impeached, and likely convicted. At that point, he’s gonna de-ass the White House whether he wants to or not. I suspect it would be the U.S. Marshall Service’s job to actually drag him out of the building

:rolleyes:

Care to explain from where the Honduran army pulled a resignation document signed by Zelaya from? When the courts only told then that Zelaya was supposed to be arrested not expelled?

That document, that all logic and history shows that it was illegally obtained if not a fake, was used then by the Honduran congress to appoint Micheletti.

It was a coup, even the so called unanimous vote of the congress to select Micheletti was a fake:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2009766701_guest31valle.html

It’s still not a coup. The majority of Congress has supported and the will of the people in Honduras has been done.

:rolleyes:

Then why the lies from the Honduran coup supporters? It was a lie to say that it was an unanimous vote, and anyone can see that you refused to answer my questions. The only thing you are demonstrating here is willful ignorance. The important question to ask here is: who told you to accept the propaganda that it was not a coup?

The last poll I saw showed that a majority of Hondurans supported Zelaya after the coup.

Mind you, not all support his return, but most **oppose **the current clowns that took power.

And no other nation on earth has supported the new “government”.

Just for starters, Zelaya was attempting to screw wildly with the polity in order to stay in office. Judging by the fact they found the results of his planned referendum on legitimizing his rule before the referendum occured, this was a real danger. You can argue that the military carried out a “coup,” buty it’s not a good argument. The “coup” involved the removal of a wildly unpopular President who was feared to be cheating the laws to establish a dictatorship and facing off against the entire rest of the government. In those situations, he ought to be thankful he didn’t end up dead.

The coup was justified because Zeyala was guilty of pre-crimes. Got it.

No nation on earth would had supported that result either.

The coup makes no sense whatsoever, unless, the internal polling of the coup plotters told them that the question to **allow **a vote on calling for changes in the constitution was going to win. (If you read a conservative screed telling you that it was a referendum to allow Zelaya to continue to be the president after the next elections, they lied to you).

Cheating? When he had no control of the army, congress or the courts? If they told the truth it would be clear that Zelaya would had lost in his attempt to set a vote to change the constitution, and then if Zelaya had remained in power after the next elections, then all the world (except some silly leftists) would condemn and apply sanctions to his government.

There was no “impeachment.” It was a military coup d’etat plain and simple.

While the Congress’ vote had not been unanimous it was by a majority to remove Zelaya from office.

So he should be arrested and not expelled.

They have a new election in November, why not just accept the results of that election w/o the dictator wannabe who tried to rip up the constitution getting his “vote”.

Why insist on installing the dictator wannabe?

Why did the Supreme Court say he should be arrested? Do they not know their own laws?

A crime is a crime, even if a million people approve of it. (And the majority of Hondurans and the world do not swallow the propaganda of the coup supporters.)

The reality is that several crimes were committed before congress got to vote on it, corruption of that scale can not be tolerated. And I have to talk here from experience: The Honduran government has a history of being one of the most reactionary ones. Most government positions there depend or are possible only with the approval of the rich and powerful in Honduras. Any change that could come as a result of real democracy has been minimized or stopped by any means. (Calls to change the Honduran constitution are not coming just from Zelaya)

Putting a patina of democracy on this coup is ridiculous. In Ecuador in 2000 the people revolted and removed the president, it did not matter if most of the people supported the removal of an elected president, international pressure was applied to remove the coup plotters from power. The Ecuadorians learned the lesson and later elected a leftist government thanks to the ballot box and not with violent means.

It is now the turn of the right in Honduras (and some in the US too) to learn the lesson that democracy can not be dropped when it is inconvenient to the powers that be.

And it is your turn still to explain why is it that you are avoiding answering the questions.

Look, it’s already happened now anyway. And Honduras now has a more friendly President, if it’s already happened just accept the situation.

:rolleyes:

Tell that to the Marines.

The ones that were training Honduras troops there against the war on drugs.

Don’t act like if you can ignore that corruption at that scale is not or will be also involved in the drug traffic that comes to America.

As long as they suffer sanctions from the whole world and continue to refuse to budge it is clear that they are not budging because they know that organized crime will help fund the efforts of the coup plotters.

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/

The reality is that the next elections are bound to be a joke. Any reforms that were done recently by Zelaya are being eliminated. But I don’t care much about Zelaya, I care that what I see in Honduras is just a dictatorship with a democratic patina.

So, we should accept that situation and its deterioration when most of the Honduran people don’t support that?

And if you want to be taken seriously please answer my original questions, be useful so at least we can record who is giving you those rotten ideas.

And it seems that Curtis LeMay is just counting on the right wing media for the news.

The media that is telling him that “Nothing is happening in Honduras, [After the coup] everything is fine”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCzkJf2vVnU

And even more people that do not accept the situation:

http://www.narconews.com/Issue59/article3782.html

So, would you be happy to see a Honduran election in November, under the condition that A) Zelaya would be allowed to run as a candidate, and B) the election were closely monitored by outside agencies?

Obama’s going to be on the losing end of another issue if these elections take place and his administration refuses to recognize them. So it might be a strategically better option to come out now and say that whatever happened in the past, the election in November was scheduled long ago, and this is the Honduran people’s chance to right a wrong if that’s what they think it was. He can express worry that the new regime will rig the election, and demand oversight from international inspectors to make sure the election is carried out fairly.

Would that be okay with you?

By the way, wasn’t Zelaya’s term supposed to end in November anyway? If they reinstated him, wouldn’t he be leaving office in a month? Constitutionally, he’s not allowed to run again. Or does he have one more term before the constitutional limit kicks in?