Two things there. The first is that there are many people in this world, and that you have educated one about the technical details of your toys does not mean that another is as equally educated. Fighting ignorance takes a while, and you have to do it one person at a time. If your complaint is that there are still people in this world that do not know all the proper terminology for your hobby, then that’s really not something that you should be complaining about, especially not in such dismissive terms.
I mean, seriously, it’s terminology that you are complaining about. You may as well get your ire up about people that use “literally” to mean figuratively.
Not really, but I know the game (I wrote a blackjack program on my TI back in the early 80’s), so I’ll snip your explanation…
Hmmm, you just summed it up pretty well. Now, remember, in this analogy, a “bust” is when you are dead, not when you lose your bet. You have 16, they have 10, and you have the option to surrender. Lose half your bet or take a chance that could cost your (and bystanders) life.
Combining all unintentional injury deaths among those between 0 and 19 years, motor vehicle traffic–related deaths were the leading cause.
The leading causes of injury death differed by age group.
For children less than 1 year of age, two–thirds of injury deaths were due to suffocation.
Drowning was the leading cause injury death for those 1 to 4 years of age.
For children 5 to 19 years of age, the most injury deaths were due to being an occupant in a motor vehicle traffic crash.
Guns dont even register. Somewhere around 100 kids die from firearm accidents- of the over 12000 accidental deaths per year. Not even 1%.
Your kid is more at risk by simply living in Arkansas than from guns.
Not *my *hobby. I only own a old .22 from my scouting days and my old service pistol. I am a small l libertarian on this, since gun control laws do virtually nothing to reduce violent crime, i dont see any benefit to putting otherwise law abiding citizens (with a hobby) into prison.
But when gun grabbers say “Ban cop killer bullets!” (no such thing) or "Ban assault “Ban Automatic weapons!” (which are, for most puroposes, already banned) then I can say they are trying to pass laws out of wilful ignorance.
So, what you are saying is that if someone from say, Missouri comes to Ohio, then Ohio can require that that person from Missouri has completed the required training to get a CCW in Ohio?
I don’t think that is the case. And unless that is the case, then what I am saying is entirely true.
Not sure what that was for. You were confused, so I helped to clear up your confusion.
I’d be happy to let national CCR fall by the wayside if states like NY, NJ (especially NJ), CA and others, would stop putting people into prison for simply ‘possessing a gun’ and are not otherwise engaged in any criminal activity.
That’s not going to happen and I know it, so I support national CCR.
Let me try that again: But when gun grabbers say “Ban cop killer bullets!” (no such thing) or “Ban assault weapons” (which defintion is purely legal and varies state by state and year by year) or “Ban Automatic weapons!” (which are, for most purposes, already banned) then I can say they are trying to pass laws out of wilful ignorance.
No, and why would anyone do that? When you drive your car into another state, you have to obey all* their* traffic laws*. You dont have to requalify to get a drivers license for each state.
I come from CA where right turn on Red is Ok, but I can’t do that in other states just becuase I am from CA.
So, it’s just 100 kids per year. Not something that we should even think about. No reason to ask people to be responsible with their guns. No need for any safety or for them to properly lock them up.
And that’s just the accidental ones. All told, it’s closer to 1300.
When gun advocates call anyone that is looking for a way to make our public spaces safer “gun grabbers”, then I can say that they have little interest in a productive conversation.
I mean, seriously, it’s terminology that you are complaining about. You may as well get your ire up about people that use “literally” to mean figuratively.
The NRA preaches responsible gun safety loudly and constantly.
Well, sure, I would like you to come up with a way to make public spaces more safe. Unfortunately, in American,* gun control laws simply do not do so.
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Gun nuts buy too many guns often out of a feeling that doing so will make them safer. Gun grabbers try to ban those guns out of a feeling that doing so will make *them *safer.
I am not a fan of either side. But since the gun nuts are not harming anyone, I want to let them have their hobby, instead of putting them in prison.
Just like I am not a fan of abortion, but I let the woman carrying the fetus choose.
But they cannot make them get the training required to carry in Ohio, once again, you completely ignore my point.
No, but if this goes through, then Ohio does not have the authority to enforce a set of standards on Ohio for CC.
How is that? I am not saying anything about what misouri should accept, you (well, the bill you are advocating for) are demanding what Ohio should accept.
If you have managed to twist my meaning that Ohio should have authority over Missouri, you are very confused.
There are states with different types of restrictions on them. You can drive in Idaho at 15, but you can’t in Ohio.
The reason that there is (voluntary) reciprocity between states is that they all have relatively similar levels of requirements in order to get a license. If there were a state that had “shall issue” licenses to anyone over 16, then other states may not accept those liscensensed in that state to operate a motor vehicle in theirs, until they have demonstrated the required skills.
Enforce the gun laws we already have.
Make the penalties so stiff for felons possessing a gun that the felons will be scared to get caught with a gun.
Just today I am reading about a guy arrested in March for being a felon in possession of a gun and 9 months later the thug commits 2 murders with a gun.
Many thugs have long rap sheets of crimes with a gun yet they are still walking the streets unless they actually murder someone.
I didn’t ignore your point, to the contrary, I answered your question and pointed out what Ohio could do.
Again, not true. Ohio will always have the ability to enforce a set of standards on their citizens. They just won’t ever have the authority to do the same for citizens of other states. What they can do for anyone within their borders is require them to obey Ohio laws. Whether we’re talking about guns, driving, transporting hazardous material or anything else.
Every state in the union is forced to accept standards imposed by other states. This is nothing new. You just don’t like this because it’s about guns.
I get you didn’t care for my post upstream, you’ve made that clear. I’ve tried to ignore your thinly veiled insults but you persist.
How will Ohio enforce the requirements that an Ohio resident must meet to gain that CCR when they encounter a person from another state with less stringent requirements?
If they cannot enforce that requirement, then how can they make someone obey Ohio laws with respect to CCR?
Why shouldn’t Ohio be able to insist on it’s state standards for everyone in the state, regardless of residency?
Nice, it is almost as if being dismissing of someone because they called a weapon that can sustain a high rate of fire with good accuracy an “assault weapon” is the same as pointing out that using disparaging language towards your interlocutors is a poor form of debate.
Or, maybe it’s not, in which case, your post is more than just a bit off the mark there.
I think what they are saying is that once you have a CC, then Ohio can regulate what those CC holders can do in Ohio, both citizens and visitors.
But Ohio can’t change the requirements that out of state visitors need to fulfill to GET the CC in their own state. Just as if Ohio made it a law that everyone in Ohio must attend 52 weeks of driver’s training to get a driver’s license. They cannot force that requirement on other states. And that law would have no bearing on visitors to Ohio who already HAD a driver’s license.
Becuase then the whole idea of the bill will fail,just like if you were stopped at each state border and would need to pass that state’s drivers license test and your car for their safety laws. In some states, more or less you cant qualify for a CCW.
See, CCW rules are based entirely on politics not actual safety considerations.
I don’t think you are very well-versed in 1st Amendment jurisprudence if you think that video “comes about as close as you can get to openly advocating violence against liberals”. They could get a whole lot closer, legally, than “fight this violence of lies with the clenched fist of truth”.