So where do I say there is a constitutional right to concealed carry?
I think this is another one of those “not right” things you guys say.
True, but if someday laws that regulate heroin use are found to be unconstitutional, it doesn’t mean we’ve always had the right to shoot heroin, does it?
Black men had the right to marry white women even if they went to jail for it in Alabama. Except New Jersey is today’s Alabama.
I was trying not to say it at all. Only that some sort of carry was required. But I generally agree that concealed carry of some sort ought to be a right.
So, they didn’t in fact have the right in Alabama to marry white women. If they did, they wouldn’t have gone to jail.
Or perhaps, they did have the right, and they went to jail because someone was trampling on those rights?
But you now agree that some sort of carry right is constitutionally required?
That’s cool. So if the whole country went “Open Carry” any time at all, you would be satisfied with that? You wouldn’t want to see “Concealed Carry” legalized as well?
I’ve always agreed with that. I can see how openly carrying a gun around fulfills the rights of keeping and bearing arms. I just don’t see how **concealed **carry is a right found in the 2nd Amendment.
I think this is one of the disconnects I see between my conservative and liberal friends.
Conservatives think that the constitution and the government recognizes and protects pre-existing rights (natural law type stuff) while liberals think that rights come from the government. I think its a matter of perspective. What good is a theoretical right that you can never exercise (after all even North Korea has a bill of rights) on the other hand if its given to you by government then the government can rightfully take it away.
Me? I just hope that we can preserve our democracy in a form that these questions never become more than theoretically relevant.
Yes I think that Virginia (and I should have said Virginia) was trampling on those rights.
(spelling error in the original)
I would WANT it but I don’t think I would have as strong a constitutional argument that the 2nd amendment was being violated. I would probably still want someone to try.
Sure is strange that those rights don’t include “Marry who you want” and “Have sex with who you want”
I think either one will satisfy the requirement. I think concealed does it better because most people who carry will do so concealed for a multitude of reasons. I think SCOTUS could find concealed to be constitutionally required for the same reason they found handguns required, its how most people like to exercise that particular right.
Seems like you wouldn’t have any sort of constitutional argument, but whatever. Fair enough.
The Courts disagree:
They may do so:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/29...rt-agenda.html
Bloomberg - Are you a robot?…-supreme-court
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On July 25, a divided three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit struck down Washington’s tough local restriction on who can obtain a permit to carry a concealed handgun in public. The ruling conflicted with those of four other intermediate courts of appeal that in recent years have upheld regulations limiting what’s known as “concealed carry.” Resolving such conflicts among the lower courts is one of the Supreme Court’s main responsibilities, and the D.C. case would provide a suitable vehicle for addressing the degree to which the Second Amendment protects an individual’s right to carry a gun outside the home.*
So, it is up to SCOTUS, but at least one U.S. Court of Appeals agrees that citizens have some sort of right to carry concealed.
I continue by saying:
“The universe of carry can be divided into concealed carry and open carry. The laws regarding open are significantly more lax in most states than laws regarding concealed carry. Congress chose to provide reciprocity for more regulated of the two.”
It should be clear to most people that I am talking about the right to carry in some form. So in the context of the entire post rather than just your cherry picked sentence, do you think I am saying that concealed carry specifically is required by the constitution or that some sort of carry (which could be concealed carry) is required by the constitution?
Well, conservatives can be real douchebags. (see Trump)
I see a problem with open carry- it will give some bad cops even more reason to harrass and even possibly shoot minority males.
Even in those states which allow open-carry, you get idiots calling the cops because people “are brandishing” (i.e. have holstered) weapons.