Or Nato, or the EU, or Arab League, or hold an Iraqi plebiscite?
Why make the Democrats come up with an alternate plan, which would involve only the US consulting itself.
Let somebody else take a whack at the tar baby, and get us off the center of the bullseye for a change.
Not a bad idea, but you can guess what Bush will say to that proposal.
This isn’t right to challenge anyone to come up with an idea–Bush is the decider. Let him decide his way out of this fucking mess that he decided himself into.
Putting the UN in charge of Iraq was Kerry’s plan in '04. We had our chance to vote for it.
What? Have the people whom would be affected vote on a plan? They have a name for that, you know! :dubious:
A few problems.
1 : Bush won’t, ever, go along with anything that involves admitting that his “plan” - for want of a weaker word - isn’t working.
2 : Where are we going to find anyone dumb enough to want to get involved ?
2a : We’ve alienated all the people/nations that might otherwise help.
2b : Most of the groups that might be able to help warned us against it in the first place, and are likely to be uninterested in helping us escape from the disaster they predicted and warned against.
3 : There probably isn’t any plan that would work, short of just leaving - which brings us back to # 1.
I don’t think it matters that “there’s no plan that would work”.
Something will happen, planned or not, but it doesn’t have to be dictated by the US with everyone else standing in the wings.
Any proposal you can come up, ANY can be deflected by someone with another plan by saying, “But then a bunch of people are going to die!”
Whatever plan Bush has will be the one put forward until Congress grows a set of balls (and removes Bush’s), which ain’t gonna happen, or someone else gets stuck with taking responsibility for Bush’s fuckup - which means they’ll actually have to make the hard decisions the bail us out of the ditch that Baby Bush has stuck us in.
Alternative plans are moot until January, 2009.
-Joe
I have an even better idea. Why don’t we put together a group of well-respected elder-statesman types – former cabinet secretaries, ex-congressional leaders, perhaps a retired supreme court justice – five from each party, say. We can then have them research a the issue, visit Iraq, consult experts and put together the plan they think best.
The President would have to follow such a thoughtful, well-supported, bipartisan plan, right.
This sounds like a good excuse for Cut And Run. Since we aren’t apt to get oil or a stable democracy or a friend of Israel, what difference does it make if we just leave? Somebody else will be in power soon enough and the war will be over.
Yup. Pretty much.
-Joe