Not when you started this thread with two lines and a question mark to basically troll progressives (which is the typical MO for so-called moderate democrats: join hands with the GOP to vilify the left in the hopes it will score points with “centrists,” as if the point halfway between sanity o the left and batshit crazy fascism on the right is somehow something we should strive for).
But to your question? No, not for you. Not for someone who started this thread in bad faith.
In my experience on Reddit, the Clinton Hating Democrats are feeling a lot of “It’s not my fault, it’s Hillary’s/The DNC’s fault!”
I mean, we told them this would happen. They protest voted for Bernie or didn’t vote at all. And then what we told them would happen, happened.
But now they’re saying, “Well, if the DNC had put someone other than Hillary forward, someone better would’ve won and none of this would’ve happened!” Presumably, that person would be Bernie, despite Hillary trouncing him in the primaries.
Because it’s important that their actions- or lack of action- not be held against them. You know, so they can protest vote or not vote next time, too.
Yup, if I had money I’d bet on exactly this happening in both the midterms and before the election of our glorious new king, and final President, Donald J. Trump.
“Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.” and that’s the fucking problem.
I’ll just quote WJ Clinton again:
Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line.
Nice to see another circular firing squad. Carry on 
I know that is a common accusation levied by establishment dems who can’t fathom why/how they lost to Trump (with a majority of popular votes, no less, so it’s not like it was a dearth of voters per se that led to the outcome), but it seems more grounded in supposition that anyone who said they preferred Bernie over Clinton was a Democrat.
FWIW, Biden is no better than Clinton in my view.
It’s heart-warming that those who refused to hold their noses and vote against Trump still have their virtue intact. Thanks for those three Supreme Court justices, by the way. Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Coney-Barrett are just peachy.
Virtue gets you a better seat on the bus to the future Trump Reagan Memorial Reeducation Camp.
Let’s be very clear: we have Trump and his enablers to thank for those justices. Some of those enablers are democrats who, pre-2017, failed to manipulate the levers of power effectively. Clinton among them. And we’re seeing a repeat of that now. “They go low, we go high” is a nice bumper sticker, but it’s counterproductive when the GOP is all too happy to keep on going low, appealing to the “moderates” who think the Democratic Party and its base are theirs to command.
I voted for Clinton, but she should not have been the nominee. She was a terrible candidate*. It took a terrible candidate in 2016 to get Trump elected. Well a terrible candidate and some terrible laws like the electoral college. Every Bernie fan should have held their nose and voted for her over Trump, but the DNC should not have allowed her to succeed over a 12 year period of manipulating them.
The Democrats should have had a better candidate. I’m not sure if Sanders would have won in 2016, but we know HRC lost.
The Democrats have to find a charismatic leader again like Obama or Bill Clinton. I wish Stacey Abrams had won a higher office, she would be a great candidate.
Indeed; that was the observation that I had made in 2016. Any other Democratic candidate (with the possible exception of Bernie Sanders) should have been able to beat Trump in a landslide, and any other GOP candidate should have been able to do the same to Clinton.
100% agreement
Funny how 100 years ago the GOP was a relatively tight outfit that selected candidates in those fabled smoke-filled rooms, while Will Rogers joked “I don’t belong to any organized political party: I’m a Democratic.” But today the GOP can be hijacked by an outside disruptor while the Democrats will at least entertain the possibility by hereditary lineage (John-John, Caroline, Chelsea?)
Jesus Christ, what a pathetic fucking piece of shit the OP is. Roe gets repealed and his first reaction is to cream in his pants thinking “Hurray, an excuse to go on SDMB and troll the progressives!”. Fuck you, buddy.
“Her.”
How can the original post not be trolling?
“Let me throw a turd in here and see how people react.”
A vague, incendiary statement without explanation or follow up.
I’m not going to feed this ass.
FWIW, I find this in-the-past navel gazing to be pointless. I was as outraged as anyone when Dems failed to pull behind their candidate in 2016 – as they always had done prior to that election. The thing everyone overlooked was Russian interference that aided in propagandizing disgruntled Dems away from that support. They overlook it still.
If Clinton had won, it wouldn’t have made any difference. By our indifference, we gave McConnell permission to pull his Garland shit with whatever SCOTUS nominees Clinton would have had, and we did so for as long as we allowed him to remain in charge of the Senate.
So instead of getting angry over what Dems failed to do then, I hope people will get angry over what non-voting Dems are failing to do now, and proceed accordingly. I hope everyone will work their asses off to get out the vote in 2020, to prevent a further Russian/Republican takeover of our country. Putin won’t take his eyes off us even with the war in Ukraine taking up most of his time.
As I mentioned back in '16, part of the problem with the Democrats has been that playing Not To Lose is not as effective as playing to win (see also: 30 years of running away from the word “liberal”).
Meanwhile, sure, I supported Clinton, I have my picture with her and with Bill and the FEC has my contribution records… but I will acknowledge that essentially freezing her in as Heir Presumptive for two terms did not help her or the party.
We are very clear about this. In fact the enablers are the subject of this thread.
Look at my posting history. They don’t make them more progressive than me (well, hardly). I was a full blown Bernie Bro. I voted for Clinton. I voted for Gore after backing Bradley. I voted for Clinton after backing Tsongas.
Making any other choice is being childishly petulant.
Well, in 2016 I was feeling that Clinton had run a poor campaign and was emblematic of a rudderless, milquetoast “Republican but Respectable” brand of politics that was going to continue to lose effectiveness as the right wing became more psychotic and openly reactionary. I was worried that centrist, policy-free Democratic leadership would spend all of its time and political capital shooting itself in the collective dick by insisting on bipartisan efforts while Republicans just took and took and took until it was too late to do anything, even if those old guard Democrats had any ideas or desire to actually do anything.
Now, I went under a big rock right at that moment and just got out a second ago, but based on the tone of your sneering OP I gather I was way off. So while I open up a new tab and read up on the new politics that has clearly taken the place of the nightmare I was afraid of, why don’t you tell me how you feel about your party, you fucking moron?
That’s a good point. I get a chuckle out of every political ad I hear where the candidate proudly proclaims they’re a “conservative,” but I don’t really hear many politicians proudly declare their liberal or progressive bona fides.