Ha ha! Trump essentially called the military Medal of Honor winners a bunch of losers who got shot. And this will not lose him ONE SINGLE VOTE.
Yeah, but I’m not saying that the implosion will come from Trump polling worse with his base. If only his base mattered, then Trump wouldn’t be having any problems at all.
Republicans are seeing Trump going down in the polls and Trump going nuts. Donors are getting spooked. Trump’s crazy shit is making its way through the MSM. He and Vance are getting asked about the insanity at press events. Actual Republicans are endorsing Harris.
It’s not a stable situation. It could implode at any moment. I’m saying that this is the neutron that will start the chain reaction.
Nope. It will be roundly ignored by R politicians, and not reported on by the bubble media that R voters listen to. It will have no effect whatsoever. Nada.
See my preceding post.
By your logic, nothing can hurt Trump. But Trump is getting hurt. Why is that?
He’s not getting hurt. Harris is up in the polls compared to Biden, that’s all we’re seeing. Trump’s popularity has basically remained stable. His base knows nothing of his insane comments and they will never know.
This is incorrect! Okay, that assertion provides some insight into the thinking in this thread. You really think Trump is bulletproof, huh?
That’s hilarious 
, damn Aspenglow, that’s just too funny for words!
- No, he is in it to get rid of his legal issues- he is facing hard time.
- Who can force him out? trumps control the RNC.
- Maybe, let us hope.
Oh it will, maybe tens of thousands. But i do not think it will be even a 1/10 of 1% of overall voters.
Well, now we know he is not, right? 
Yep, and the thing that keeps getting lost in this “we might as well measure the drapes for her now, because it’s already game over… and it won’t matter if you fence-sitting lurkers stay home, because that worked out so great in 2016” thread is that we’re still in mid-fucking-August.
I understand the joke you are going for, but…
Trump actually lost the election in 2020. So that wasn’t bulletproof right there. It’s sheer madness that his decrepit party is giving him another shot. But there are big problems. Well, that’s an understatement.
I’ve put the data points in this thread, but I can’t make anyone here put the big picture together. He is shedding base votes. I put a cite in here about polls showing a loss of support among whites without a college degree. I’ve talked about Lindsey Graham and his own son asking him publicly to stay on message. Nikki Haley is doing it too. A lot of Republicans. If they were not worried, they would not be doing that.
I am right now watching a video about an LDS for Harris call. Trump had poor Mormon support, and it’s getting worse. Etc. etc. I am seeing data points like this all day long. And, in contrast, a ton of great stuff for Harris.
Compute all this as you will, but first you need to take in the data.
Sure, and all that is making me- cautiously optimistic. But until the election is over and he has lost, I am not getting confident.
Except that people have already been giving that reminder. Hell, I did earlier today. It’s not “lost” at all.
I just searched Fox News for “Medal of Honor” and the most recent article is a month old, this one:
Sorry, “lost” in terms of the perspective of our friend the OP, and the “she’s going to get 400 EV’s and we’ll all turn off the TV’s early on election night” guy.
After approaching 200 posts of irrational exuberance and cheerleading methinks you need to take a breather because patently a fair bloc of people who are outside your circle aren’t listening.
To my understanding and advice, Trump’s approval rating in the battleground states is now more favorable than 2016 and 2020. Now buggered if I can understand why that is, but it ain’t my vote you need.
Tell you what; when one of these battleground states which were gone for Biden, now notionally back in play and mayhaps be trending Harris actually move firmly into the blue column, then reboot the triumphalism.
Sure. And because of all that Harris is much farther ahead in the polls than Biden was at this point when he won in what ended up a fairly close election. Wait. What? She isn’t?
In fact
Crap.
Moreover and more importantly the polls are within MOE with forecasts still in toss up range. Not no worries range.
I want to see “don’t worry be happy” but that requires massive confirmation bias. Yes there are good reasons to be optimistic right now. And I am. But irrational exuberance scares me.
While I would love for this to happen, it won’t. Texas Rs are mostly stuck-up believers in the propaganda around the parties. These are the people who elected Cruz on a platform that his Republican primary opponent was “too moderate”. This state has two factions of Republicans in the Texas legislature at each other’s throats, and Dems still can’t make headway.
These are the people who caught Atty Gen Ken Paxton abusing power, got him impeached in the Texas House, then unanimous exonerated in the Senate. And now they are going after the R Speaker of the Texas House for leading the Impeachment process.
These are people who see mass shootings in schools, churches, playgrounds, etc, and road rage gun deaths, and they think “we need more guns”. Then institute open carry without a permit.
These are people who wanted to be free from federal regulations over power plants and the electrical grid, so isolated most of the state to a separate system. Then watched our grid collapse under a blizzard. Then attempted to change things only to need rolling brown outs in summer due to the heat waves demanding AC.
They continue to elect Greg Abbott governor.
These people are deluded enough that if Trump’s brain literally leaked out his ears and he were actively a catatonic dribbling mess, they still would vote for him over and any Dem, but especially a Black-Asian Woman.
There is a population of blue, mostly concentrated in the urban centers. But the spreading dems are intermingled with dignity.
It doesn’t matter what he says about the military. He could say “everyone in the service is a pansy-ass motherfucker” and MAGAs who happen to be veterans wouldn’t even flinch. It didn’t matter that he vilified McCain. It didn’t matter when he bragged of being able to grab women by the pussy. He has absolute total control over the minds of about 25% of the population and there is absolutely nothing he could say or do to lose any of their votes. Look at your MAGA friends on Facebook- I’ve seen them outraged that the media could dare to state that his silly story about AI crowds at a Harris event was false. He could go up to anyone in a MAGA rally and tell them he/she is a stupid motherfucker and that person would still enthusiastically vote for him. This is not a campaign-ending moment by any stretch of the imagination.
Fortunately, the population that is under his mind control is just short of the critical mass needed to turn the US into a fascist dictatorship. But only just short.
I know many sane folk like to talk about the undying loyalty of Trump’s true believers. But one thing about sheep is that at least some of them tend to follow crowds, and be swayed by momentum.
Sure, there are huge percentages of folk who will never desert Trump. Kinda like folk who will not disavow their chosen religion no matter the facts. But I suspect there is at least a non-zero percentage of Trump folk who might cave to the accumulating drip, drip of negatives related to their savior, combined with an apparent increasing upswell of support for Harris. If they see people running in one direction, their desire to be part of the trend might outweigh their historical loyalty. Kinda like how the Catholic church’s support of pederasty eventually encouraged some longtime supporters to look elsewhere.
No, by itself it is not going to determine the election. But I suspect that if Harris is to win, it is going to be through the accumulation of a great number of such marginal gains across various voting districts and WRT various voting groups.
Thanks for clarifying. I agree with you, that’s why it keeps being mentioned. 
Very much this.
Looking at the latest polls and data, the Harris bump is NOT predominantly lukewarm Trump supporters switching sides (though a few of these may exist as well) but rather previously unengaged people deciding they might want to actually take part in the process.
People haven’t so much changed their minds as there’s new people involved now.
Turnout was always going to be key, and if the enthusiasm trend holds, there’s going to be some non-negligible number of people who previously would have stayed home who now may well vote Harris instead.
That works from the other direction as well. That slow drip might convince people to stay home rather than come out to vote for Trump. Perhaps enough to swing down ballot votes or even the whole election.
As for MAGA military folks, they won’t care what their hero says. People have an amazing capacity for self-delusion. They’ll say he obviously did not mean them but other people (you know the sort - a brown paper bag can help you sort them out). But maybe the constant bad news will discourage them from active participation as well.
But it’s a long way to November and attention spans are shorter than ever. So, keeping up the enthusiasm and constant attention to public opinion will be necessary.
Disclaimer: by no means am I trying to defend Trump here.
I see a possible parsing of his comments as a failed attempt at empathy. What he seems to be saying (IMHO) is that it is better to be on the receiving end of the Medal of Freedom because it does not come with the trauma that accompanies the Medal of Honor. But since Trump has no empathy and no respect for soldiers, it comes out all wrong. It’s also a tasteless comparison to make but I feel like this is not by any means the first time he has made such a comparison. I don’t want to search for examples but hasn’t he said something to cancer survivors about how hanging around with him is better than chemotherapy or something along those lines?
Getting him ready for life in a cage? Smart, subtle, best move the Secret Service has made in a minute. And I mean a literal minute.