Not really. As with conservatives, I prefer blunt. No pussyfooting about your beliefs. “You are screwed. You have no ability to live a happy life. Honestly, you need to look at the quick way out.”
If that’s what one truly believes, of course. But just doomerism alone doesn’t make that clear to me, which I personally find frustrating. Great, we’re doomed. Which means I should do…what, according to (the royal) you?
Unfortunately, there isn’t much to do for the average person in this situation. We tried to prevent Trump from regaining the White House and we failed. We could try to move to a more tolerant American state, but with Project 2025 in place, that may only be a temporary solution.
Move to another country? I think you’ll find those countries are not exactly welcoming immigrants over there either.
I know what I say is scary. But these are scary times. I hope what I portrayed doesn’t come to pass. I hope I’m wrong. But I’m scared that I’m not.
What could the Ukrainian peasants in the 1930’s have done to avoid Stalin’s famine which killed millions of them? Not a lot.
At the end of the day…I’m just trying to remain positive and optimistic. Who knows, maybe P2025 will never happen, and I’ll have nothing to worry about! Is it blissful ignorance? I’m not too sure, but at this point, I don’t care. I can’t do anything right now, so all I can do is hope things blow over.
Okay, then, that’s a legitimate viewpoint. But apparently, you do draw some lines in how that affects how you interact with people. That’s what I want folks in general to be more conscious of. Shit or get off the pot, as it were. If someone is going to give up on life, I think they should at least try to be direct about it when talking about it with others, rather than just sowing vague misery.
Wise words, my friend. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
You think my original post was too vague?
I’m sorry, but I don’t know how to put it anymore precisely. I think that you are upset that I’m not offering practical suggestions to safeguard our civil freedoms. Sorry, I don’t have any, except to hope that this whole thing blows over like the OP says.
If I were in your place, one thing I might consider doing is trying to find a trusted source for news relating to the LGBTQ+ community – preferably in your area or your state.
While “keep on keeping on” and focusing on the things that are within your sphere of influence, IMHO, makes a whole lotta’ sense, I probably would want to understand what “climate changes,” if any, are happening to/within my community.
All the best to you … to us all.
Asked and answered.
What I think is that if someone (not necessarily you) wants to come into a discussion, especially one asking for advice, and say “you’re doomed,” that everyone is better off if that person makes explicit the “advice” they want to give with that statement rather than just walking back out.
Anyway, back to the OP: echoing some previous comments that you don’t want to lean on any one or few people for advice on living like this, especially not random people anywhere. Getting in touch with established advocacy groups and professional counseling is a good first step. The best result is you feeling like you have the information and ability to decide what is best for you given your unique circumstances.
Aside from advocacy groups and professional counseling, I recommend maintaining and strengthening relationships with family members and friends who support you in your identity. The more people you can rely on, the better off you’ll be.
In the OP’s position I would certainly consider moving to a state/city which are protective of nonbinary people. There are plenty such places. College towns will probably be good (certainly not all so be sure to check). Big cities like New York or Chicago or San Francisco or Seattle too (not a complete list).
They may not be perfect but should help a lot. Also, chances are you can find others in those places to become friends with who will support you.
It is a swing state, though it currently has a Democratic governor, and a liberal Supreme Court. The state legislature has been controlled by the GOP for years, though a recent redistricting has eliminated their gerrymandering of the state’s districts – based on yesterday’s results, it already looks like, while the GOP will maintain control of both chambers for the next two years, their majority is slim, making it more difficult for them to bypass the governor on things.
I really don’t think being put in jail is a realistic fear. Losing access to hormone treatment is unfortunately a likely outcome. Being hassled when using the bathroom, or being discriminated against in employment etc could be a possibility, depending where you live. But it’s extremely unlikely anyone is going to be jailing people just for being trans.
You don’t live in a super conservative state, so likely the best thing you can do is finish college and then move somewhere very liberal. Give your friends moral support, but don’t panic.
I could see a trans person being arrested for using the “wrong” bathroom some places. Or getting beat up and no one intervening (including police).
No they should call a suicide help line.
Find mental health care, immediately.
This is not the time to encourage ideation. Too many people are vulnerable.
They have loved ones who care.
We knew months ago this was a possibility. Preparations, shoulda, coulda, woulda…and all.
But here we are,
It’s not the apocalypse.
They can’t kill everyone.
The Constitution still stands. There’s hope for 2026 midterms.
OP, I advise watchful waiting. You don’t have much more to fear right now than you had to fear yesterday. See how things shape up in Wisconsin and make well-informed plans as we go along.
The people who say state laws don’t matter when there are federal laws prohibiting something are correct. However, some states won’t go down without a fight. As Washington state’s current governor reminded us today,
Washington has strong statutes that protect our values, and when Trump messed with our state we sued him 97 times – only losing two cases on the merits while he was in office. Our state and others formed enduring alliances for progress during Trump’s first term in office, and we will continue to push the needle of progress for a more perfect union.
I think Project 2025 supporters will find enacting that crap will entail a very messy, very long fight.
Indeed, wise words. Always good to have a positive and optimistic mindset, but at the same time having a “condition yellow” mindset (not red/full alert and not green/oblivious as to what’s around you) can keep you a little more alert.
Stay safe. Stay happy! And stay alert.
Seems possible this could happen, but I would think in a southern state?
No one’s going to be rounding up trans people, which is what OP seems to be worried about, and some responses are endorsing. Trump winning is bad, but it’s not the end of the world or even of America. Catastrophising and scaring people even more is not helpful.
[semi-hijack] Just one more thing about Washington: The person who was just elected Governor was the state Attorney General since 2013. He sued the former Trump administration nearly a hundred times and won many of the cases. The first one was filed 10 days after the 2017 inauguration. He knows how to do this.
Of course no one knows what will happen. But one thing for certain is that the Evergreen State will never acquiesce to P2025 or any other crap without a fight. [/semi-hijack]
Scaremongering is bad but then republicans put out Project 2025 as their roadmap and they have control of the whole government to do it. I see no reason they will not try and why nonbinary people shouldn’t be worried. Prison is mentioned:
Right out of the gate, Project 2025 bemoans “transgender ideology”—a phrase that suggests that, as trans people, we’re not actual humans as much as embodiments of malignant propaganda. For Project 2025’s authors, the “ideology” of trans existence and LGBTQI+ equality has seeped into every crevice of the federal government, and it’s their mission to eradicate it.
For starters, Project 2025 calls for removing the terms “sexual orientation” and “gender identity” from “every federal rule, agency regulation, contract, grant, regulation, and piece of legislation that exists.” This erasure isn’t symbolic—it’s part of a systematic effort to strip LGBTQI+ people of all legal protection from persecution, discrimination, and violence. Here are just a few examples of how Project 2025’s authors say they’d do it:
They’d dismantle the Affordable Care Act’s protections against sex discrimination in health care.
They’d reverse the 2024 Title IX rule, depriving LGBTQI+ students—and in fact all students, especially women and girls—of nondiscrimination protections in K–12 schools, colleges, and universities that get federal funding.
They would gut LGBTQI+ workplace discrimination protections under Title VII, limiting them just to hiring and firing decisions.
They don’t stop there. They’d create draconian restrictions on gender-affirming care, and they cast supportive parents and health providers as engaging in “mutilation” and “child abuse.” They call for programs that promote “families comprised of a married mother, father, and their children” and treat other families as threats to a “healthy society.” They’d make it easier for LGBTQI+ people to be turned away or discriminated against by anyone with personal objection to our existence, including by weaponizing and contorting religious refusals and “free speech” rights.
Project 2025’s authors also paint supportive schools as full-on harbingers of moral collapse, infested with the “toxic normalization of transgenderism.” Their efforts to rid schools of this so-called toxicity are downright horrifying. Project 2025 calls for outlawing pornography—and equates that with materials that acknowledge the existence of LGBTQI+ people. Pornography, they say, is “manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children.” It’s hard to escape the implications of what this means: If affirming LGBTQI+ people = pornography and pornography must be banned, that sounds an awful lot like criminalizing respect for our existence. They take it one step further: They say that people who make this material available should be imprisoned, and teachers and libraries who share it should be forced to register as sex offenders. - SOURCE
It’s always the South. Innit?
I daresay these horrible things that may be done to Trans, non-binary, of color people would more likely happen in bigger population centers.
I don’t think we need to start accusing whole parts of the country of misdeeds yet to be committed.
I agree with you that scaring people unnecessarily is a bad idea.
Protect your friends and family the best you can.
Watch your surroundings.
And lay low.