How can the Democrats win the election?

Exactly. Everyone seems to have forgotten that the centerpiece of her campaign is a middle class tax cut. Classic pander, far from innovative, but also tried and true. No need to reinvent the wheel.

It is? Oh, brother. Just when I was starting to really like her…

(Depends on what is meant by “middle class,” in this case — can anyone summarize? I know, Google is my friend…)

They put together a bill package that had a wide range of health reform ideas and claimed that their constituents were by far the biggest source of lobbying on health reform, then Cigna threatened them and they gave up without a fight the next day.

Do voters understand or care about middle class tax cuts? Obama gave us a middle class tax cut as part of the stimulus when he cut the payroll social security tax from 6.2% down to 4.2%, saving middle class families $200 a year on every 10k in income up to 130k in income.

I don’t think it benefited him or the democrats in the polls though.

Then that’s their own damn fault. (Bolding above is mine.)

To win Democrats have to talk about what they will do in the future, how they will make life better for blue-collar, middle class families. Hammer away at the need for affordable healthcare, income inequality, stagnant wages and the importance of climate and environmental issues. Everyone wants clean air and water. This should be EASY but the Democrats too often are reactive and not proactive when talking about issues.

We have to nominate a candidate who can and will set the agenda rather than reacting to the GOP/Trump. It is already clear Trump is going to hammer away with racist and religious fear-mongering. Plenty of people are disgusted by much of his rhetoric and behavior but unless the Democrats give them something to vote for rather than counting on people voting against Trump, the Democrats will lose.

Someone said upthread to nominate a safe, boring moderate. I don’t care about the moderate/progressive/liberal component so much as I strongly disagree with the safe and boring part. The Democrats have to find someone who excites people and gets them to the polls on Election Day, particularly a candidate who does this in the swing states Trump won last time out. Focus on those states with voter registration and get out the vote efforts. This should be EASY. We are only talking about maybe a half dozen states. A tour of small to medium sized towns from Pennsylvania through Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Iowa shaking hands and kissing babies has the potential to move plenty of voters in those states.

I’ve heard a number of posters in this and other threads dismiss people who voted for Trump in 2016 or sat out the election as unreachable, bigoted and ignorant. There are undoubtedly voters who can’t be persuaded to vote for the Democratic nominee but I don’t believe it makes sense to write all of them off. There are a lot of people in those states who just want someone they believe will fight for their interests to flip those states to the Democrats in 2020.

Unfortunately I’ve yet to see anyone on the Democrat side who I think can connect with these voters.

'Bout sums it up. Hillary lost the election for the Dems.

Biden is not as divisive - is anybody? - but he is too much the old politician, and that was the very thing that put people off Hillary and made think think that anything else was worth a try. Do you go with the tried and (more or less) trusted or do you try to repeat Trump’s “outsider wins against the odds” upset by bringing in a new Dem candidate? But seeing what the incumbent has done on the basis of no track record and no political or diplomatic experience before being elected …

And, is insanity contagious? The latest poll shows Boris “Trump Lite” Johnson the odds on favorite for No 10 Downing Street.

Wait. Didn’t Donald Trump and the Republicans give us a tax cut?

<Checks recent history>

Why, they certainly did. Way back in 2017.

How’d that work for the middle class?

This guy says it was pretty sweet. Average Joe Taxpayer got an eight percent cut.

Others feel it was

Not so good,

Not so good,

And “the most predictable financial crisis in the history of our nation.”

Three words: Draft Mike Rowe. :wink:

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They bungled that so badly, and I said so at the time. I believe the majority of voters, or at least a large plurality, thought their taxes had gone up under Obama! :smack: You have to do it the way Bush did in his first term, by sending out rebate checks. The big difference of course being that Dubya’s were covering for much larger tax breaks for the rich, while hers would be covering for tax increases on the rich.