You know how people often lament the lack of manners or courtesy in American society? No one says please/thanks, holds doors, motions the other person to go first, or has any qualms about inconveniencing others when they park in a fire lane, or wherever when they’re “in a hurry”?
People have lost all sort of courtesies and parking in a handicapped spot is one of them. I certainly don’t think all the people in this thread bitching about Jamie would necessarily park in a designated spot themselves, but the discourtesy shown does not ring grave to them.
It’s a societal disintegration. And anyone on the other end of the disintegration is rightfully angry and even hurt by it. On the larger level, it is being disregarded and disrespected by others of the human race.
Have you reread this? Because it must have struck you that one could say the same thing to you. I think your position on it makes you a dick and that your problem seems to be a failure to be able to see how people perceive you and your actions. Trying to put yourself in their position might help you go down that road a bit
I’ve always felt that on message boards (like these, not other more anonymous ones) that the way you conduct yourself carries over from how you act in real life. You can attempt to have a certain persona online, but once you’ve been around long enough, your IRL attitudes, personality, gripes, hobbies etc come through in your writing. Hell, it’s one of the ways the mods ferret out socks.
What I’m getting at is that when ever a situation like this comes up you swear up and and down that you acted like a perfect gentleman and it was the other guy that started the argument. Yet in the last few pages alone in this thread, I’ve seen this…
As has been said before countless times, these are people that are trying to help you. They’ve tried explaining things to you in every way they can think of to get you to understand what’s going on from an uninterested third party’s perspective and look at how you treat them. Even if you don’t agree with them, this is no way to treat your fellow boardmembers…oddly enough, if you do it too often, it’s likely to get you kicked off the board (or at least warned). I’m not trying to be snarky, I’m just saying that at some point you have to stop blaming everyone but yourself.
Can you tell me, briefly, what he should have done/should do? Are there things he should have done differently at the gym, or in posting on the board, or in presenting or replying? I can’t get what people think a person shoulld do exactly in the situtation presented in the OP. And let’s leave personalities out of it. I don’t care about a handful of posters’ histories here.
It’s about both, and the principles have been discussed to death. If you’d bothered to take my advice and familiarize yourself with the history of this discussion, you’d know that.
I’ve followed this discussion from the beginning and I still wish to discuss principles. So guess they’re not discussed to death objectively speaking.
I am no longer interested in discussing some guy’s personality or the personal reactions of some others. I find it repetitious and childish but knock yourself out if it’s what YOU want to talk about.
That brings us back to discussing both aspects, which you claim is the case anyway. We can both talk about what we want to, now.
(As a personal aside to you only, please cut it with the condescension. It’s obvious and tiresome.)
Well that depends on the goal(s) involved. If he wants to improve his health then he should exercise at the gym and leave it at that.
If he wants to interact with people on a more positive level at the gym and on this board then he should reconsider trying to get the people at the gym ticketed and refrain from attacking the opinion of others.
If he wants to go through life getting a negative reaction from people around him then he should continue his current strategy. Mission accomplished. It won’t matter what organization he belongs to, he will get the same response.
And as I understand it, the most directly relevant part of his goals is to get out of his car at the gym, which is by law preserved for him, but is impeded by a car that isn’t authorized to be there. The ADA specifically allows and enforces this accommodation and if someone flies in the face of that, they need to be punished (ticketed, towed) to uphold the law as we do any law–enforcement. Besides punishment of that individual, it acts as deterrent for others. Case. Fucking. Closed. (Unless you’re against the ADA, or law, or enforcement of the law.)
well if he’s lucky he will get his friends and relatives ticketed and then his life will be case-fucking-closed complete. He will have alienated his entire universe.
Sure, yeah, maybe I am a dick. But I didn’t make the possibility that I might be a dick the subject of the discussion here. Jamie has come to the board on numerous occasions wondering why people react negatively toward him, and then he has faced negative reactions from the board itself. At some point, it might be useful for him to take a broader view of this. I might point out that in general this board’s reaction has not been that parking illegally in a handicapped space is okay.
This is just the same old glurgy bullshit. Society is not disintegrating. There have always been assholes and jerks in the world. In fact, if anything, society is better now than in was in the past and it has generally been getting better as a long term trend.
Can I suggest that before anyone responds to tapu and we rehash this for the eighty bajillionth time, she does what’s been suggested and go and read the older threads.
Tapu, read some older threads, then form your own opinions it’s not fair to ask us to form them for you. Objectively, sure, he was in the right, nobody is going to disagree with you on that one, no one disagreed with Jamie on it either. If that’s the cornerstone of your argument, you win, but it has nothing to do with anything. Anyways, I don’t believe he’s giving us the whole story. In other threads he had a habit of bringing in new, game changing evidence well into the thread. In one thread he claimed all he did was motion for a car to move out of his way so he could use the wheelchair ramp (fair enough, right?) then a minute later the person’s husband came and threw him out of his chair…does that sound right?
Jamie gets into so many more altercations then the normal person. I simply can’t believe that he’s just pointing out to people that they’re parked illegally. Doing that, while possible annoying people, doesn’t make them violent, it doesn’t make them yell at you, it doesn’t make them call you dickish.
Also, part of the problem is that he has no interest at all in the advice he’s been given. People here have given him soooo much advice on better ways to handle illegally parked cars. Everything from ‘move on’ to take a picture and call the police to seeing if they have some kind of auxiliary/volunteer program where he might actually be able to issue tickets. But all he’s looking for is someone to tell him that he was in the right and for better or for worse, that’s just not what this board is about.
Anyways, go back and read the old threads. His personality really IS what this is all about. He can ask you to look past it, but we can’t. It’s part of who he’s come to be here and, frankly, I think it probably has a lot to do with how this man reacted towards him since this man probably took his personality into account when he called him dickish (or whatever it was he said). Sure, maybe he acted nice around Jamie in the gym because all he did was see him but never really interacted with him, but he had probably heard about him. I’d wager that this was the first time he’d seen Jamie ‘in action’ and finally thought to himself ‘wow, they weren’t kidding, he really does do this…what an ass.’
I’m not giving out advice, I’m not defending either party, I’m just suggestion what I think might have been going though his head. To take it a step further, he was probably doing what everyone here was doing and suggesting that if you don’t want to lose your membership, you let it go (or call the cops and move along). It’s the calling people out that pisses them off.
Oforgodsakes, I’m not reading your old threads. I couldn’t care less what’s gone on before. What matters in this type of discussion is that you move ahead with new people, new ideas. Why would I read a bunch of your previous thoughts about it when you yourself said those threads got nowhere.
I continue to hold that you’re wrapped up in a personality and missing the ideas.
Then you just need to mosey on along. Because nobody here is claiming ADA is wrong. Hell, most people here would probably like to see massive fines and lose of driving priveledges for awhile for illegally parking in a handicapped space. If not more than that for that matter.
You are missing the point. People here ARE saying Jamie almost can’t be telling the whole story because he has some many of them like this. One random old asshole dude? Perhaps. One every month or two? He makes people HERE who are handicapped or know handicapped people go WTF? with his points of view on all things handicapped and his various adventures. And we are getting the sugarcoated Jamie version of events. God only knows what the real life story looks like. But I doubt it is better.
It’s THAT history that makes many people highly suspect there is way more to the whole story and or any given story. You don’t wanna read it? Fine. But don’t dismiss people who have read it and are using that to see the big picture.
It’s a shame actually. People are TRYING to help Jamie. But as another poster said, he just wants to told he is right. I guess it is remotely possible his hometown is just chalk full of handicap hating assholes. And if that IS the case then he either needs to deal or move some place better before he gets a cap in his ass or gets banned from every place he wants to go.
FWIW, if he is using steroids (or anything similiar) , I blame them and would tell him to knock that shit off. But he won’t listen.
