I think it was a misguided attempt to “fix” the boy. Someone did report him to Protective Services for that stunt, though.
No problem. Hijacks, like shit, happen.
Hmmmm…
1- father takes sexually mature (or at least darn close) to a willing female prostitute, to engage in some consensual sex. A practice not all that uncommon in parts of the country until the last 20 years or so, based on fiction and anecdotal evidence.
2- Family friend forces homosexual sexual behavior on young male, therby violating family trust and social mores, plus doing potential damage to fledgling sense of sexuality that may not recover, ever.
You know, maybe I’m odd but I see a distinct difference…
It may be slightly different, but that doesn’t make it ok.
Unless he’s in a certain part of the country, it’s illegal to buy/sell sex in the US. Therefore, said prostitute is also not necessarily the healthiest person, and could have a disease that she could pass on to said boy. Furthermore, the father is teaching the son that it is ok to “buy” sex…probably in a knee jerk reaction to keep him from “becoming gay” after being hurt in this way by a man. Thirteen years old is not old enough to consent to sex, so the prostitute is guilty of statutory rape, and the father is basically an accomplice.
I still see a violation of this child’s social morals (is that what mores was supposed to say?). I still see the possibility that he may not recover from not only what the molester did to him, but what his father did to him as well. No, it wasn’t quite the same, but it wasn’t so different.
There were a lot of things that were not as “uncommon” more than 20 years ago that are now. Separate water fountains for people of different colors and people “minding their own business” when it came to what a man did with his wife and children at home are a few of the others. I fail to see your point in this.
Jeff, please make sure that your girlfriend’s nephew gets some counseling. Sexual abuse is not easily overcome. I cannot fully express my sorrow for your girlfriend and her family.
~J
I love how it’s **
with a chickie, and **
with a man.
Inflammatory language much?
I’m not doubting for one second that the nephew was coerced, but Tristan, it might give your point more credibility if you used more neutral terms.
Otherwise, you are (probably unintentionally, you get the benefit of my doubt) vaguely equating homosexuality with molestation.
From Jeff Olsen’s original thread on the subject
From all the information given I take it that this was non-coercive* (as much as having sex with a 12-year old can ever be non-coercive (i.e. not a lot)).
But how was the father taking the child to the prostitute any less coercive (and hence abusive)?
And what kung fu lola says about your choice of words.
*if this ain’t so, perhaps Jeff Olsen will clarify?
Fair enough, Arky, I have not thought much myself about when a psychological condition can lead to forced intervention, but that is a topic for another thread. But just as long as we do not single out certain thoughts for treatment out of proportion to its danger (i.e. if we decide that released sexual predators need to be monitored for “dangerous thoughts”, we should do the same for murderers and thugs.)
Guilty as charged… I intentially picked the words I did to try to force home a point.
I think I failed.
FTR, I agree, what dad did was wrong… very wrong. However, to equate it to rape, or “sexual misconduct” is just ludicrous in my mind.
Can’t say for certain one way or the other.
If you are the kind of person who believes that prostitution degrades women, then the boy’s father isn’t any better than the molestor - he took part in her victimization and reduced her to an object to be used for sexual pleasure.
I, personally, do not hold that view, just putting it out there.
My take is different. I don’t have any great feeling either way as to whether or not prostitution is degrading to women – I just don’t see any difference in this offender engaging in sexual misconduct with the kid or a prostitue engaging in the same sexual misconduct, both amount to sexual misconduct.
Now, Tristan, if the first instance was indeed a matter of rape we don’t know about that – that has been neither stated nor implied in the two threads on the subject.
What can I say? I cannot be shocked by one but not the other.
Here’s a question that may illuminate our relative positions – if the father had taken the kid to a male prostitute to “get him fixed” (whatever that means), what would you be saying now?
Kung fu lola, I overlooked your, “I, personally, do not hold that view, just putting it out there” – please accept my apologies for implying otherwise.
Could everyone just ignore the first sentence of my last post?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the father was afraid the incident would turn the boy into a homosexual. He does seem to be a bit homophobic and has been repeatedly hit on by a friend of ours who happens to be gay. The asshole in the photo may also be gay; he’s definately effeminate and very friendly toward men.
That might well be able to make someone “a bit homophobic”.
Hardly. You’d think it would be flattering, though I’ll concede a healthy individual might find it embarrassing or even annoying, but how could it lead to a general hatred/fear of gays?
Wasn’t there some research that suggested that there was a link between homophobia and latent homosexuality?
Now there’s a theory!