All of which makes you … HAPPY!.
Q.E.D.
Oh, and it’s ever so ironic to hear Trump supporters from fly-over states complain that big city liberals are living in a bubble. Yes, people who live in large, densely populated, culturally, economically and socially diverse metropolitan areas are the ones living in a bubble. There’s not enough :rolleyes: for that level of common sense idiocracy.
Improving the economy and border security generally make me happy. There’s an element of schadenfreude in a lot of what’s happened since about 8:00 PM on Nov 8, 2016 too.
No. Let’s review what you quoted and how you responded.
Let’s analyze:
- Deport brown people - Check!
- Bring back obsolete jobs - Check!
None of those things demonstrably improve the economy or protect the borders. But they do make you happy because they, What?.. 1) Serve to piss off the liberals!
Which, as you freely admit again, makes you HAPPY.
I disagree. I think deportation of illegal immigrants is an important element of ‘protect the borders’. And, while it’s not been as many as Pruitt recently claimed, the hiring of people to staff and support newly-opened/ing mines does improve the economy.
Right. A tiny drop in the bucket in an utterly unsustainable industry with an environmental record akin to UCIL in Bhopal. If you’re gonna hang your coat on 1,300 jobs, you’d better be wearing a pretty light coat. Also, exaggerating by a factor of almost 50 doesn’t seem to bother you that much.
Well the use of German is certainly appropriate.
And when deregulation and unrestricted corporate excess cause another economic collapse, we end up in another unwinnable military quagmire, and all the Conservatives who thought Trump was going to save their jobs find themselves unemployed and without healthcare (which they will need after getting sick from the newly polluted environment), the Conservatives will certainly have shown everyone!
Nice backspin!
Fair enough. There’s room for reasonable people to disagree if a handful of new jobs in a failing industry is a quantifiable improvement for the economy. Same with whether deporting people equals border security.
However, at least we agree on the most important one. i.e. Pissing off liberals!
As long as we agree that it’s a drop going in, and not one coming out, that’s the only point I’m making here.
I’ve pointed out before, I believe to you personally (although I could be mistaken), that pissing off liberals is not “the most important” thing to me.
Any port in a storm.
If / when Trump causes an economic collapses or gets us involved in an “unwinnable military quagmire” we can discuss those things. Do we both agree that Trump has not done either one yet?
Then you should stop saying things that would lead others to believe otherwise.
What is it that makes the coal mining, by your various descriptions, “obsolete” / “utterly unsustainable” / “failing”? My vague understanding is that demand is down, largely thanks to fracking making natural gas so cheap that it’s undercutting coal on price. But there does still appear to be a demand for coal, at least the people who bought / leased the land and went through the headache of getting permits for new mines seem to think so. I guess time will tell if their economic risk-taking will pay off or not. Here is an AP story from today on the subject: Coal on the rise in China, US, India after major 2016 drop
What makes it unsustainable? This:
Of course the point here is that since you decided that was a good source (and I agree) you should also mind that part. Of course it seems that as the title of the thread shows, one big part of why there is a divide is because one side is picking the unwise choice. And one should realize that there was really no good reason why that choice was politicized.
Maybe “others” should try reading what I type. Here’s what I wrote, to you, in this same thread, nine days ago:
One good point many conservatives that figure out that it was not a good idea to support Trump as a way to gain progress on an issue, is what is bound to happen once a significant number of people see the abuses the new policies cause; then a lot of what you advance will be tossed out.
And harder and with less support or willingness to compromise as the issue is considered to have been discredited by the incompetency or bad faith of the new rulers.
That is what the Republicans found out after people did figure out that no matter how moral looking the idea was, prohibition was a terrible idea.
Except that historically, improving the economy has been the result of sound, informed governance. Do you think you have that now?
And “border security” is largely a mythology created to appeal to bigots, just as totally divorced from reality as the myth that Democrats want “open borders”.
Even GWB left behind a steaming pile of rubble that the next guy had to clean up, and he was at least sane and mostly well-intentioned. What do you think your guy is going to leave behind?
Yes, well, there were also lots of people at one time making investments in lead extraction and the production of things like lead paint and tetraethyl lead gasoline additives, the latter of which was so severely poisoning our air, land, and water that it’s almost unimaginable how dangerously lead-polluted our environment would be today. Should they have all been allowed to carry on anyway because they were making investments and “went through the headache of getting permits”? Coal is in much the same class, being one of the most dirty and dangerous fossil fuels in existence in terms of everything from CO2 and general pollution to toxins, heavy metals, and even radioactive fly ash – and it doesn’t have a single use as a fuel that doesn’t have a much cleaner and usually cheaper alternative.
This is Lake of the Woods, on the border between Minnesota and Canada. Like pretty much all lakes everywhere, it has fish consumption guidelines based on the presence of Mercury.
Where exactly did that Mercury come from? It rained out of the sky, a byproduct of coal burning around the globe.
Keep burning coal and this will only get worse. It isn’t going to go away if we stop, either, but frankly, I’d rather it not continue to increase.
Also, imagine that if this is a problem in our lakes and streams, what about the rest of our land, like our farm fields and gardens?