Jack batty - iampunha, pld, Rickjay - Right
MC - Wrong
Gomez no like MC. MC bad, scary man.
Oh, and could I please use
“You’re so sexy when you get assertive. Wanna make out for a while and then join the Boy Scouts?”
as a sig line, Crunchy? It’s simply begging for it.
Go ahead, I don’t mind.
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- I am not proud of being prejudiced; what I am proud of is that I am willing to admit to what prejudices I have. -And by the by, the original topic didn’t concern my own personal prejudices anyway: it was simply an observtion that different people have different standards for what is considered acceptable behavior.
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- So, you want me to prove I’m right, by supplying my own definitions? - MC
DNFTB
And, while you’re here, MC, what’s with the annoying - - in the posts?
BFD. Admitting you have a problem isn’t anything to be proud of; it’s easy. Changing your behavior so you get rid of the problem is hard, and worthy of praise. Give it up.
Oh, and I know Jack Batty personally and from my experience (which certainly goes deeper than yours) he’s never said anything to indicate he had a prejudiced bone in his body; in fact, I’ve heard him speak out against prejudice on more than one occasion.
But maybe I’m just saying that because he fucked me so good last time we went camping.
I want you to justify your statement using your definitions. Last I heard that wasn’t an unreasonable request. You state something, you get asked to explain, you explain. Very simple if you’re an honest person who doesn’t try to run away from people who are asking questions.
“Crafter_Man”,
Many molestations occur from a family member. Does that mean that it isn’t safe to have your child around family members? Or around clergy? Or what about other children? Just how safe do you make your childs world without locking them up in a closet?
Gay people pose no more of a threat than anyone else. If you ever took a minute and put your bigotry aside, and actually got to know someone that was gay, you would realize how ridiculous your accusations are.
With the amount of REAL dangers that surround your children; drugs, school violence, drunk drivers, etc… gay people are really the least of your worries.
“I want you to justify your statement using your definitions…” - iampuhna
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- Well it’s pretty easy if I can make up my wn definitions; I can simply say that somebody looks like a bigot. -But that would be silly, so let’s use Webster’s definition instead, shall we?
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- I do not recall holding prejudiced opinions in personal or social affairs ever being declared illegal, so the relevence of this definition is questionable. We continue:
— I disagree with this last definition somewhat; prejudice can also be positive towards a subject, and I am now wondering what the word would be for “an irrational attitude towards actual characteristics”, but anyway:
First, for anyone to claim to have never held any preconcieved judgement or opinion of anyone else is unbelievably astounding: that is, it is unbelievable (being essentially undemonstratable), and it is astounding that anyone would insist such a thing and expect others to believe it.
Second, the world is filled with glaring examples of prejudice, every day. Examples of lethal violence for such petty reasons can be found from nearly every populated spot on the planet, from every time period recorded, including yesterday. The closest one can come to finding “innocents” is to point out areas with huge spans of unwritten history. Now, I’m all for people not killing each other, but quite frankly I know that all the rest of those people out there really aren’t much different than me, and they’re probably not doing anything I wouldn’t at least consider if placed in the same situations. And I do have my own prejudices as I said, though I never bothered to physically harm anyone over them. To act as if you can lecture me on morals for not accepting the same standards as yourselves (-especially when I didn’t even say what my own standards on the subject were-) is idiotic. I live on planet Earth; most of the people here are bigots one way or another, and there are libraries all over that are filled with evidence to that effect. What planet are you from? - MC
I wish it wasn’t yours.
MC, 4,000,000 wrongs don’t make a right. Just because you see bigotry and prejudice all around you doesn’t make your irrational and indeed unfounded fears an acceptable behavior. You say your prejudice hasn’t driven you to ‘hurt anybody’, but I bet if there was a national vote regarding gays in the boy scouts, you’d vote them out. And that’s hurting somebody, based on nothing but your own prejudice.
jarbaby
Now, Crafter_Man:
How is Jack Batty prejudiced? By thinking bigots are bad? BY thinking child molestors are bad? By thinking closed-minded ignorant fuckbuckets are bad?
Gosh, that makes an awful lot of us prejudiced. However, I don’t think this is what you were suggesting, since prejudice usually carries a negative implication with it and those prejudices above aren’t exactly bad. So answer me this:
How is Jack Batty prejudiced in a bad way (as opposed to those stated above)?
So it’s OK to be a bad person, as long as you don’t judge the beliefs of other people? Or are you saying that each and every one of us are irrational racists/bigots, and since we can’t do anything about it, we shouldn’t try to make each other feel bad about it?
Racism, murder: just facts of life.
Hypocrisy: the only true evil that needs fighting.
Dr. Marshall responds!
In summary;
- Virtually all men who molest pre-pubescent boys are straight.
- Virtually all men who molest pubescent boys are gay.
- Gays are disproportionately LESS likely to molest children, absent any accounting for other statistical illusions.
Dr. Marshall’s comments here clearly repudiate the idea that gays are likelier to molest kids. Believe me, folks, nobody knows this subject matter better than he does.
More to the point of the OP; in terms of the risk of having scout leaders molest kids, it would seem that it depends on the age of the kids. Dr. Marshall’s findings mean that prior to puberty, boys are SAFER with gay men than with straight men. After puberty, they are safer with straight men than with gay men.
All in all, they’re probably safer with women. 
Unless it’s Mary Kay LaTourneau
Thanks for posting the response RickJay. It was fascinating.
jarbaby
Ha! That was my hypothesis. Thanks, RickJay. Good work, this has been the high point of my day (which has been rather dull thus far.)
Many thanks, Rick, and to Dr. Marshall.
Well, Crafter?
And RickJay shines the glaring light of facts and reason into a thread virtually blacked out by bigotry and ignorance.
Excellent post. And a Hidey-Ho to Dr. Bill M.
Unfortunately people like MC aren’t swayed by facts. He has made it clear that he has a prejudice against homosexuals. In fact he is proud of the fact that he can stand up and announce it to the world, because after all, he is only being true to himself. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if he ran for King of the Bigots.
BTW, thanks to iampunha and woodstock-how’syouranus-bird for sticking up for me. Not that I’m particularly disturbed about any preconceived notion this doorknob might have for me, but thanks just the same.
Commandment number 11: Thou shalt honor the RickJay thy God. Especially when he knows the researcher.
Crafter_Man, good fucking luck. You’re going to need it.
But hey, you only have to disprove the work of a premier researcher in the field. It’s not like you have to argue against numbers.
Wait, that’s what you have to do . . . argue that the facts are not facts.
That seems to be in direct opposition to the purpose of this board . . .
Glad to have been of service, Jack:)