How do I learn to be verbose?

At present I am too succinct - this often leads to problems.

Tell me more.

Tell me, in detail, an example of one of these problems.

Extensive, unfettered verbosity is not always a positive aspect of certain person-to-person interactions; the utilization of too many and unnecessarily sesquipedalian constructions can be both a distraction and a hindrance in the transfer of a notion from one to another.

In other words, succinct is often good.

-v usually increases verbiage - and more gets more verbiage (-vv or -v3)

Of course, this only works on eunuchs :stuck_out_tongue:

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Yes, but I am overly succinct. I miss a lot of stuff out.

That could have been a very clever, or unkown freudian slip… You miss a lot of stuff out…or you leave a lot of stuff out?

How succinct are you…please give an example.

Meh.

Call my mother and listen to her. Here is a sample “conversation”:

Me: How are you?

Her: I’m OK I got up with a sore back today the mattress that you dad bought in 1969 is getting old that was the year that Aunt Sally you remember her right she had that mole I could never look at here without thinking of that mole she was married to Bill who used to work at the racetrack his wife was a war bride too we met on the trip over she has a handicapped son that works at Goodwill I saw a nice sofa there but I didn’t have anyway of getting it home now that Bob from next door has moved away I don’t have anyone to shovel the sidewalk either…

Me: turn on TV on mute and flip channels

Her: …at church today so I thought she might be sick there is some sort of bug going around in the schools they have lots of Asian students now and they are really smart there is a new Chinese restaurant opening up across the street from Dunkin Donuts where your sister used to work back when it was a Mug and Muffin she is going to Hawaii on vacation with…

Me: chambering a round

Her: …last Tuesday because it was raining and I didn’t want to get my hair wet since I just had it done at that place next to the store where they used to sell radios now it sells cell phones which everyone has but me because i think they are too confusing but all the kids seem to have iPods on their ears and they are trying to pass a law that says you…

Me: Bang, slump

Her: … but other than that I feel OK. Are you there?

Practice.

I can accept verbose as being at one end of a continuum with succinct at the other, but there is a distinctly negative connotation to verbosity. Being succinct, on the other hand, is a sought after trait.

Succinct implies that all pertinent information has been covered using as few words as possible. If you’re leaving out something important, you’re not being succinct.

Unfortunately, the best advice I have for learning to say a lot with few words is to read. I like Richard Dawkins for his ability to cover a lot of ground without too much mumbo jumbo. I know there are other authors who have this quality and, of course, reading the Straight Dope will steer you in the right direction. I’m also a big fan of Micheal Quinion. He is a paragon of cogency and succintitude.

I don’t think this is a GQ.

In any case, why do you want to be more verbose? You claim your succintness causes you problems, what problems are these?

Be sure you don’t mistake prolixity for verbosity. On the other hand, wordy may work just as well. Then again, one failsafe technique is to avoid coming to any specific point, but to engage in many parenthetical remarks (whether or not you actually employ the punctuation for them) or even hijack your own sentences with some freeform stream of consciousness meandering, maybe wandering off-topic enough that you lose track with what you were trying to say, and just quit.

I recommend Toastmasters www.toastmasters.org. While they are best known for helping people improve presentation skills, they actually work on all kinds of communication skills. For example, each meeting generally has a section called Table Topics, where you speak impromptu on a surprise topic for 1-2 minutes. For most people, the challenge is to shut up at 2 minutes, but there are also members who need the regular practice of formulating a response that takes at least a full minute.

Some techniques that work for that are stating your position, then 2-3 reasons why you feel that way, then summing up. Or, state your position, then recount an anecdote that supports your position.

The profundity of your verbiage highly depends on the relative quantity and redudancy of the meaning which you originally intended, however if this meaning is not relatively proportional to the obfuscatory tolerance of your intended targets (be they plant, animal, or mineral), then you may find the assumed target of such a speech, mainly being yourself, to be sorely disappointed and perhaps even quixotically perplexed, stupified, and puzzled as to the aforementioned disconnect in your intended meaning and the recipients understood understanding.

One must never stress enough times the number of times and the amount of times that something should be said over and over and over again. You can never be too clear or unclear about the level of clarity that your verbiage shall possess, propose, and permit. Nothing is ever too simple or mundane for such a personage who wishes to possess the power and amazing talent that is purported by the masses to be what some may call verbosity, however whether true verbosity can exist in a meaningful and clear mannner has always been debated and discussed and argued about for generations, these generations being countless descendants since the dawn of language and perhaps even speech, to which the point being in all this is that sometimes it becomes unclear even to the original speaker or speakers (in case of a group discussion) to which also one must risk grammatical failure and the implosion of neurons in the Brain. The British people living on the British Isles in England are often credited and attributed this talent or skill of verbosity.

Personally I like to speak my mind.

See above.

You don’t really want to be verbose, which means “excessively wordy.” Some have already given examples of verbosity, which is not a good communication method either. As DanBlather’s example shows, it turns people off and they ignore it.

And if you leave a lot of stuff out, then you are not really being succinct, either. Succinct means having all the essential information, but without excess verbiage.

You may be being terse or laconic, brief to the point of leaving out important information.

Possibly one of the best ways to avoid this is to try to put yourself in the place of the person you are trying to communicate with. You may take some information for granted, because you already know it, and thus leave it out. Try to understand how much information from you the other person needs and wants.

I think I know what you mean: I am chronically terse, often making leaps of logic that make absolute sense in my head but absolutely none to my reader.

The solution was to focus more on logical flow, not so much on verbosity. Brevity IS the soul of wit, after all. You shouldn’t be wordier than is needed, but you SHOULD be clear and persuasive to the reader.

Moved.

Well, if you want to be more verbose, I can tell you how. If you sit there and be quiet and just listen, then you’re doing it all wrong.