Ive idly wondered this for some time, specifically how do sites like Pornhub make sure they aren’t broadcasting underage porn with all of the seemingly anonymous videos they allow to be uploaded to their sites? I’ve seen some very suspicious videos with some very child-like girls doing hard-core porn. And I don’t mean the professional variety that purposely tries to make their legal-aged porn actors appear as young as possible. I mean the amateur videos recorded on people’s phones. I don’t understand how or what they do (Pornhub) to enact CYA policies. I can’t figure it out but they must, right?
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They don’t. Unless it’s flagged by the community or someone with Admin privileges sees it and gets suspicious. They do have software which can detect priors, basically if a video or a subject in it has been identified as actual or potential child pornography or underage elsewhere, it might be caught.
Most Child Porn is not found on Porn Website, rather on the Dark Web.
Source: Colleagues in law enforcement and Prosecution.
Yeah, I would expect the policy is similar to those of Twitter or YouTube : let anything in no questions asked ; but hair-trigger on any user complaint. Not just for child porn either - revenge porn has also been problematic on pornhub before.
Yes, no doubt a few slip by, like Traci Lords, but she didnt look that young. Sure, there might be a few 17yo out there, which is sad, but those arent want child porn perverts want.
Wouldn’t the frequenters of those sites, or at least those who gravitate towards such types of videos be reticent or uninterested in reporting them? And no, I do not seek such videos out, if you accidentally click on a particular category of video, the site’s software will label that category as a “preference” and include such videos in the general offerings when you log in. But relying on hard core porn consumers to police other hard(er) porn disseminators seems like a weak system. I would hazard a guess that it “works” because no one who comes in contact with it really cares. Shit, I consider myself in possession of a fairly developed moral compass and other than add my scolding 2 cents to a bunch of comments that were lusting over what could not have been older than a 15 year old girl, this thread right here is the extent of my “pushback” on the issue.
ETA: and how would “revenge porn” even be identified, without a video title stating as much? And as shown with the ubiquity of “incest porn”, all they have to do is put a disturbing label on otherwise innocuous porn. Or in the case of revenge porn, put an innocuous title on disturbing content.
“Child porn” being defined as porn featuring anyone under the age of 18? What is the method of discovery on the dark web? And i pose the same question to you as to kobal2, depending on the very community which consumes and promotes such material to also police themselves for it seems pretty weak. But it looks like you have it on good authority that this is straight dope on the matter. So rather than disagree, I would instead want to know more details.
Those websites have a precarious existence. Moral guardians already want them to be shut down and look for excuses. So they are incentivised to keep a look out.
Pornhub’s Terms and Conditions make for a fascinating read.
Among the many - many - disclaimers in them is this gem:
And, under Prohibited Uses:
You can find similar prohibitions elsewhere, as in their 18 USC 2257 Statement.
As people have already said, I’m sure they’re quick to take down any questionable videos as soon as* a formal complaint is made*. More than 800,000 amateur videos were posted in 2017 alone. Who knows if all of them have been seen ever by anyone? They may wind up getting burned by a scandal, but in the meantime their asses are covered in a thick layer of mylar.
By proclaiming it is the sole responsibility of those who upload the videos to ensure that said videos are not in violation of their stated rules? That just seems like self-serving but totally toothless CYA lip service. There is no tracking the identities of those who upload videos or of verifying which videos do or don’t feature underage actors. Given the ubiquity of “young teen” professional porn, it would also seem to be in conflict with a known source of income to be too scrutinizing about the specific nature of the source of a section of that income.
You keep saying this. Other than anecdotal observation - and perhaps those girls are picked because they look young and/or are made-up to look younger - do you have any evidence that Pornhub or anyone else are turning their heads and allowing videos with underage performers? Have there been news reports on this? Court cases? Activist groups complaining?
If there are, good on them. Cite them and link to them and let us see what’s happening. Until then your eyes aren’t evidence.
BTW, Have you yourself reported these “suspicious” videos. If nobody reports them, how do you expect Porthub to take action?
Above, Ive bolded the section of my earlier post where I’ve already addressed the substance of your ETA question. To add to it, part of the reason I never reported anything is because I always told myself “hey, they wouldnt let this shit stay on here if it really was underage shit”. It was just upon further reflection that I just couldn’t find a reasonable mechanism for such confidence.
Also, I dont think I articulated myself clearly in re to the professional genre of “young teen” porn. I never meant to imply that these girls were underage. These are girls of legal age who are chosen for their youthful appearance. On top of this, the aspects of the video production also lend themselves to youth and innocence with things like pigtails, high school cheerleader uniforms, as well as adorning the girls and the set with bright, gawdy colors. I was using the fact that this genre of professional porn is so popular to speculate that it would behoove the sites to make less-than-strenuous efforts at policing the amateur versions of these types of porn videos.
And of course I have no evidence of malfeasance. On the part of Pornhub or anyone. I am just mildly incredulous that they can tell these advocacy groups that they are doing everything they can to police their sites for illegal porn. Now just as i began this post by highlighting that the extent of my involvement in this matter amounted to little more than this thread and some critical comments to a few random site members, it should come as no shock that I havent done too much outside research on the matter. I never claimed my eyes were “evidence”. Im a bit offended at the notion I would be assumed to be such a rube. Just because something seems outlandish to me doesn’t mean that seeming outlandishness=proof.
Ok, we have two groups here:
A. Perverts looking for pre-pubescent kids, illegal porn.
B. and a 17 yo girl (maybe with fake id?) slipping by
A. The kiddie porn perverts look for keywords, the sites monitor those keywords. They are also quick to shut down anything that looks skeevy that is report.
B. No real way to tell, maybe it happens, but the kiddie porn perverts aren’t looking for that, anyway.
I have definitely seen the occasional video while searching Pornhub where I question the age of the performer. They aren’t common, but they do show up.
What’s more disturbing, however, is that I do not notice an easy way to report anything. (I’ve also wanted to report videos that appear to actually be hidden camera and not ones faking that aspect.)
I could see how easy reporting and fast action might be enough to remove them from liability. That, as soon as they know it might be child porn, they have to remove it. But that doesn’t seem to be how it works.
I also note that Pornhub has tons of quite obvious copyvios. I mean, the videos will flat out say that they are only available paid. They don’t seem to care about that, either.
Im most concerned with cases similar to B) I think most true child porn aficionados dont browse pornhub looking for pedophiliac porn. And still, the porn opponents groups are looking for that. But in the case of your B) example, where would a fake id even become relevant or necessary when it comes to uploading personal porn to these sites? There is absolutely no verification process whatsoever. You kust have to upload and presto, you got online porn.
I knew a guy that worked at a video store when the Traci Lords thing broke. They had to turn over all of her videos to the FBI, and if any were rented out they had to recover them immediately. Additionally, someone had to review all their porn tapes to see if any had, er, coming attractions trailer which featured Ms. Lords. So the people whose job it is to watch out for stuff like that take it very seriously. I’m also pretty sure that a site like pornhub keeps records of the originating IP address for its uploads and shares that info with law enforcement upon request.
The whole point of revenge porn is to ruin the victim’s life. They’re typically not only named, but doxxed as well.
And in any event the victim him- or herself is typically threatened with it or spitefully informed (the revenger typically emails the link to the victim’s friends, parents, boss… as well) ; at which point they can contact PH to hopefully get it removed.
Have you ever uploaded a video there yourself? How do you know how easy it is? Maybe they do make you scan your ID or something.
…do you really want an honest answer to that question?
Generally, it’s identified because the revenge’d person sees themself in it. Or some ‘friend’ sees them in it, and notifies them. (Often the revenege’r ensures this, by emailing a link to it to every friend & relative of the subject.) Also, they tend to state this in the comments – that’s a away of attracting more views.
They aren’t usually copyright violations.
Mostly they are snippets posted by the actual copyright owner, as ‘previews’ to attract paid customers. That’s why they often end with an advertisement ‘click this link to see the full video’. Just like ‘free samples’ given out in grocery stores or perfume counters, an attempt to attract new customers.