How do Tea Partiers feel about the War on Terror, immigration, and economic globalization?

Several fissures in the American conservative movement have become apparent in the past decade. One is between warhawkish neoconservatives, and isolationist paleoconservatives. The latter has been most clearly represented by Pat Buchanan and his America First Party (formed out of the right wing of the defunct Reform Party) and his magazine The American Conservative. As sometimes remarked in that magazine’s pages, the paleocons have found some common ground with the left, at least to the extent that they want U.S. troops out of the Middle East, and they don’t want the U.S. sticking its neck out for Israel. The paleocons also economic isolationists/protectionists where the neocons are (like the neoliberals) economic globalizers; and Main Street populists where the neocons are Wall Street elitists; and strictly anti-immigration (for reasons both economic and racial/cultural), where the neocons seem sympathetic to corporate America’s need for cheap immigrant labor. Throughout the Bush years, Buchanan and the paleocons were the most important dissenting voice on the right. (There is also the Constitution Party, which seems very similar to the America First Party in ideology, the difference being emphasis – the Constitution Party is much heavier on social-religious conservatism. Including, I think, support for Israel on “Christian Zionist” principles, which might or might not be enough to keep it from ever merging with America First.)

Now, since Obama took office, the Tea Party movement has emerged as a far more important – at any rate, far more visible and vocal – dissenting locus of the right. They challenge the GOP establishment. They do seem to come from the same demographic/cultural base as Buchanan’s paleocons. Their rhetoric is mostly based on smaller-goverment economic libertarianism and old-fashioned decentralism – that is, they want the federal government, at any rate, drastically reduced in size and functions and cost. But, I haven’t heard them say much at all about foreign or military policy. Nor immigration. Nor globalization. Nor the Wall Street/Main Street divide.

So: How do the Tea Partiers feel about these issues? Is there any consensus in the movement? Are they an ideologically different conservative movement than Buchanan’s paleocons, or are they just emphasizing different elements from the same general worldview? How does Buchanan feel about them (I’ve never heard him comment)?

As for Pat Buchanan’s opinions:

It’s probably what you would expect.

I really remember the tea party (at least locally) gaining traction after the first bailout/stimulus/hand-out (whatever the you want to call it) during the Bush presidency. I thought of it as a libertarian leaning movement, more than a republican movement, and that will probably be reflected in my comments below.

Not sure you would find too much of a consensus among tea partiers regarding our current military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. You can find libertarians on both sides.

In my mind the tea partiers would not necessarily be against immigration. I’d say their problem is with welfare. Get rid of welfare, and most would probably support open immigration.

For economic globalization, I’d say tea partiers view voluntary trade as mutually beneficial to both parties and generally support free global trade.

anyway… that’s my perspective (and that ain’t worth much).

Of course, that’s all pre-9/11 statements. But I know he took a hard line against the Iraq War, etc.

I’m curious, why ask what tea partiers think on a board full of posters who are decidedly liberal in their viewpoint? Why not go find a tea party member, there are plenty around at the moment, and ask them directly?

That being said, AFAIK the tea party is mostly about economic issues, usually with a very simplistic take on the issues. The tea partiers I’ve seen generally sum up immigration as ‘dem mexicans are stealing our jobs’. Most would sum up globalization as ‘dem chinese are stealing our jobs’. The war on terrorism isn’t an economic issue so there’s a mix of views, although tea partiers do tend to be uber-patriotic and inclined to think there’s no problem in the world that can’t be solved by a squad of US Marines shooting at brown people.

This is just a generalization of course, but the tea party members I’ve spoken to would agree 100% with what I said their view was, provided I phrased it a bit nicer.

Hell, I was surprised to hear that Tea Partiers have strong opinions on net neutrality. Bet they are, too.

Why don’t you just look at what the polls say? Even if we had a few TPer’s here, you’d get a very small sample size.

…which would change the meaning of what you said. Shooting at brown people is not what tea partiers’ foreign policy ideas boil down to, no matter how nicely said.

Illegal immigrants “stealing” jobs is also just one of many concerns of tea partiers. Illegals receiving government aid is another issue. Homeland security is another issue with illegal immigration.

As you’ll find in this thread, we do seem to have some Dopers who identify or at least sympathize with the movement.

That’s an interesting view. Are there really a lot of people who believe this?

The jihadists, if you ask them, I’m sure believe exactly that.

I’m pretty sure the protests didn’t start until Obama was in office. Wikipedia has a pretty detailed summary of the history of the movement, and there’s no mention of any protest specific to TARP during Bush’s presidency. It makes mention of the “Tea Party” label used to drum up support for Ron Paul back in 2008, but that was just a fund raiser and not so much related to the tea party movement of today.

I’d be interested to see evidence that any tea party-branded protests took place during Bush’s term.

I honestly am going by memory and do not remember the dates exactly, so you could be correct about no actual branded “Tea Party” protests that early.

What I remember is several of my similar minded coworkers and I discussing the TARP in October or November of '08. I don’t remember when I first heard the term “Tea Party.” The first actual protest that I remember locally (Lexington, KY for me back then) agrees with Wikipedia of being in Feb. or March of 2009 to protest TARP and the fear that mortgagees would be bailed-out too. At the time, myself and others involved believed the movement was basically libertarian in mind set, we had no problem with immigration, were pro-free trade, and many of us differed on the level of national defense our government should supply (I certainly did not feel we were anything like the religious right or isolationist or in anyway like the America First Party), but the issues mentioned by the OP were not the primary issues… the primary agenda listed on the Wiki page is pretty close. But without a doubt for myself and other friends/co-workers, the thing that energized us was TARP in '08 under Bush.

I am a little frustrated at the “Tea Party” being painted as racist, because my friends (AFAIK) and I never even thought about race. I certainly do NOT “think there’s no problem in the world that can’t be solved by a squad of US Marines shooting at brown people.” :mad:

I don’t think that the teatards are a monolithic group, I think it’s just a collection of people who are angry about something. Whether it’s bailouts, healthcare, the deficit, Barack Obama taking away their right not to have a black President or something else, it’s just a collection of angry folks with no real coherent set of opinions.

The teahadist movement started after the Rick Santelli rant on CNBC and was originally all about the bailouts, government spending and what have you. However it does seem to have been hijacked by various GOP astroturf and lobbying groups like Freedom Works. When the GOP’s paymasters objected to Obama’s healthcare policy groups like Freedom Works were bussing teahadists into Washington from all over to protest the bill. When the financial reform bill came up, something you’d think would really get the teahadis really energised, we didn’t hear a peep out of them. No mass protests in Washington, no huge campaign wither for or against the bill.

Band name!

The Tea Party movement is still relatively new, so it is true they lack a cohesive set of virtues that apply across the board. The main focus of the Tea Party, and the reason for its creation, was their frustration with government spending in times of economic troubles. I don’t think foreign policy is at the top of the movement’s priorities, so there will be many differing opinions on trade, war, etc.

Their attitude is legit, even if their agenda is not wholly defined. There may be racist Tea Party supporters, but probably no more so than in any other political affiliation. A strategy used to downplay the Tea Party movement by its opposition has been to just paint the whole darn thing as a bunch of unorganized, intolerant, backwoods rednecks. I am not a Tea Partier, but I can at least acknowledge and respect their message without resorting to name calling and accusations.

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Barack Obama taking away their right not to have a black President or something else, /QUOTE]

Dick, really, pull the racist shit. Keep pulling the racist shit, every time you do, you just piss off more and more people. My grandmother who never so much as said the word damn, and if you did chased with a broom, who didn’t talk to my grandfather for months and months and months after he voted for Bush instead of Kerry, who voted for Obama, now at 80 years old and 100% sane and very observant, is sick of having her own thoughts and feelings on the direction of the country being labeled as “racist”. She is now having “some problems with minorities”.

Or as my aunt who was a little more vocal than my grandmother(obama voter), yet very very liberal and would chew your ass out for even the slightest racial inference. “I’m really not liking black people right now”

Or my girlfriend. Die hard liberal to the core. I couldn’t even refer to a gay guy as a pansy ass without her getting mad or refer to a colored, black, negro, african american or whatever the word is of the day without her getting mad.

A few months ago, we were cruising along and saw a nice little bunch of American’s that appeared to be of Mexican descent, wearing pretty(gang) colors walking with average weight (plus 50lbs) attractive (if you like drawn on sharpie eyebrows and Bozo the clown) women wearing snug fitting (lard squirting) pants and tasteful tube tops encompassing very nice (pancaked shaped) breasts swinging like udders like over exposed babies that are still encapsulated.

I rolled my eyes… and she said “call ICE”

WHAT???

“I’m having a little problem with brown people lately”

Me, realizing that I still want to get laid “(pet name), everywhere you go there are people that are going to suck, they are of all races, colors and genders”

Her: “you’re right, people do suck, it just so happens that they are all brown”

3 true stories of people that voted for Obama, and were never even the slightest bit racist until recently.

Keep spewing that racism. Its doing wonders for your cause.

I myself didn’t vote, I didn’t want to be responsible for deciding between dipshit and dumbass. Take your pick who was who.

After the election I really though Obama was going to do good things, I was wrong(I thought there never could be a president as bad as Bush). And the more I’m told I’m a racist for disagreeing with him, the more racist I become.

:confused:

The Tea Party movement is not motivated by a philosophy but by an attitude. The attitude is: don’t take what I have; don’t raise my taxes; don’t cut my government benefits.

Tea Party people sense that economic growth is no longer possible, and that economics has become a zero sum game. They think that if the government helps people other than them, they will pay for it.

Many Tea Party people get various benefits from the government. When this is pointed out they respond, “I deserve it. Those people over there do not.”

The Tea Party attitude can be summed up in one word: ARG!

Seconded.