Bob Dole? The American People?
Keeping in mind that, while public schools probably can’t get away with it now, we have had teachers fired for being gay, marrying a divorced man, having premarital sex, and being trans. Never mind parents wanting their kids moved.
Moonlighting as a seducer, providing explicit content is that any different than a second job driving for Lyft or Uber, working retail etc. these can tire you out affect one’s quality in the classroom perhaps?
Yet do we really want to know if the sexy HS male English teacher is bare backing the wrestling coach on Only Fans? Or their kink is bdsm even if it’s cool with the administration , do want them relating their experiences, to students. Do we care if a teachers shares their moonlighting experiences as an Uber driver or barista?
Sex workers in the classroom? Just no.
How is it “clearly” beyond the Code of Conduct? That’s a silly argument frequently used by those trying to escape regulation or consequences. It doesn’t say that teachers shouldn’t have sex with the students, either, but some things can be inferred from the larger context of teachers being considered to be role models who are expected to adhere to “the highest standard of respectful and responsible behaviour”. Not every possible example of aberrant behaviour needs to be explictly spelled out.
A parent.
As a school administrator I’d want to know how an ostensibly private matter like this became public knowledge. Normally I’d consider such behaviour to fall within common social norms, even if usually undesirable, but if it became public information because it was particularly scandalous and got picked up by the media, or was the subject of a court case sufficiently newsworthy that the media was covering it, then the circumstances would be examined and damn right the teacher’s job might be under review.
Since that’s generally illegal, it probably does. Fwiw, i work part time as a PE instructor, and my code of conduct explicitly includes not dating the students. (Right up there with not using drugs while in the job.)
I’ve been teaching for sixteen years. I’ve been teacher of the year. I’m board-certified. I’m passionate about my profession to the extent that I have to plan ahead when I go to parties to not monologue about it.
And I think it’s outrageous and offensive that people are so concerned about the sex lives of teachers, and it’s awful that your daughter seriously has to censor her theatrical performances out of fear that some busybodies will think the roles are too salacious for a teacher.
The things that teachers should be forbidden from doing outside of their school hours fall into two camps:
- Things that directly harm their ability to teach the next day (e.g., blackout drinking); and
- Things that indicate they will be a bad teacher to some or all of their kids (e.g., bragging online about how they’re not going to bother teaching the little shits because they don’t care, or attending a rally that indicates they think some of their students are subhuman).
These are clear criteria related to the job. All this fussing about “BUT THE STANDARDS SHOULD BE HIGHER” is exactly the sort of fussing people did about gay teachers having gay sex, or about unmarried teachers having unmarried sex, or about teachers getting married. It’s in a long, pernicious tradition of people thinking that their teachers’ sex lives are any of their goddamned business.
And no, the fact that she’s on Onlyfans doesn’t mean she made it your business, any more than her wearing a wedding ring makes it your business.
Will kids be distracted? Are you kidding? Do you KNOW kids? Of COURSE kids are distracted, all the goddamned time! There’s nothing unique about this particular distraction, except for the fact that it represents a failure on the part of some other adult, who allowed kids access to adult material–and it should be dealt with there.
The idea that teachers might recruit from student populations is the silliest idea in the thread. Yes, students are a potential recruiting population, gross to type as that is. And we can’t find news stories of it ever happening. That’s probably because reporters know that nobody would be interested in that story, and it wouldn’t drive eyeballs to their website.
KIDDING! If a teacher did porn and then recruited a student to join them, every single goddamned media outlet would splash that on their front page for as long as they could. That story would combine America’s two favorite pasttimes–sex and outrage–in a salacious scandal that hasn’t been matched in decades.
I know it hasn’t happened for the same reason I know that there are no litterboxes in high school bathrooms for students who identify as cats: if it happened, nobody would be able to shut up about it, nobody would be able to resist sharing the evidence.
If you support teachers, you stay out of their business. If you say you support teachers and you think they should be fired for harmless second jobs, you don’t support teachers.
I did some searching, and I was unable to find a YouTube interview like what was referenced there.
I did, however, find an interview that Coppage did with a radio show. I skimmed the transcript and did not find anything at all resembling the claim I quoted above. I did, however, find this exchange, in which she was asked if, hypothetically, she would go back to her job if she could, which I found interesting:
Followed by this from, I think, her husband, blaming some parents for publicizing it:
I won’t stay out of the business of the teacher of my child. Of course, I wouldn’t. Or their school system.
I thought teachers wanted parental involvement.
I spent so much time at my kids schools I could say I earned 4 more diplomas.
Again, this teacher put her sexual life on a digital device. Doing no telling what. She sold it for money. It was posted on a public website. And she got caught, even though she knew it was wrong, because she disguised her identity. Her fault.
She brought this ton of bricks down on her own head.
You made this claim before. It was explained to you that the reasonng was faulty.
What’s going on isn’t reasoning. It’s feeling. And if you’re in the right group, your feelings matter. Reasoning be damned.
In your child’s education. Not my personal life.
Again is it only teachers you hold to this standard?
It’s not faulty. It proves clearly she didn’t want it known.
Known by whom.
Her pastor?
Her Aunt Edna?
I think not.
She did not want her Employer, who she has a contract with, to find out. Lest she lose her position she (
) valued so much.
She can say all she wants, after the fact, she had honorable intentions of paying off her student loans. Don’t believe it. She wanted the big bucks.
I’ve said ‘no’ to that question many times. You just keep asking it.
I don’t want any woman involved in any porn business. It’s a disgusting way to earn money.
Moving the goal posts. Did not want it known =/= knew it was wrong.
Flight attendants (air hostesses) who hid that they were married were similarly guilty about their lack or morality, not protecting themselves from sexist policies.
Ok, She did not want it known, because it was wrong.
How’s that?
I have said my opinion repeatedly in this thread.
I’m not backing down from it, without more information than we have now. I suspect there will be more.
Anyway, I am out of this thread.
Y’all carry on.
It assumes facts not in evidence.
My interpretation of what she said in the interview I linked to above is that she did not and does not think that what she did was inherently wrong, but that all of her students knowing about it created an atmosphere that made it impossible for her to continue teaching effectively. (And that they wouldn’t have known about it if some parents hadn’t found it and publicized it and posted screenshots on social media.)
In other words, she didn’t want it known, not because it was wrong, but because of the effects of having it known.
She couldn’t have known it was wrong, because sex work isn’t wrong. Your personal disgust with it is fine, but mistaking your personal disgust for moral error is at the root of a huge amount of bigotry, and this case is no different.
She knew that getting caught would cause her problems. That is a great reason to be careful about the act, just like it was a great reason for gay teachers to be careful about having gay sex. Social prejudice is toxic. The solution isn’t to blame its victims. The solution is due to stop contributing to the prejudice.
No, the code of conduct I quoted from doesn’t mention any of those things. We can safely assume, however, that they wouldn’t be tolerated. The code seems to take the approach of setting out general principles rather than specifics.
That reads to me like something awfully close to “it’s not wrong if you don’t get caught”. She was willfully doing something that she freely acknowledges would be completely inappropriate for her students to know about or see – the very students she’s supposed to mentor every day. And we’re not talking about young children here – this was apparently a high school.
Her husband’s attempt to defend her sounded curious, too, when he said “… you would be explaining what those things are [the sex acts] because you were the one that showed it to them”. He’s trying to blame the parents for publicizing the porn, but that could as easily be rephrased to "… you would be explaining what those things are because you were the one who created it in the first place, then posted it to the internet.
To me those quotes were pretty damning, not exculpatory.
Mischaracterizations like that just weaken your argument. No one is concerned about the private sex lives of teachers. The issue here is that in performing sex acts for money, they were literally sex workers. And it’s not about the general morality of such activities or their legal status, it’s about whether something so far off the mainstream of societal norms is compatible with the functions, standards, and expectations we should have of teachers.
To the extent that gay teachers, teachers co-habiting outside marriage, and other such things were once considered unacceptable was just because they were at the time generally unacceptable in society. School boards, probably more than almost any other institution, strive to reflect contemporary social mores. It’s not the school board’s job to blaze edgy new trails into what those social mores should be. But when values changed, and LGBTQ individuals became accepted and mainstream, the boards were quick to change, too. Indeed, reading through the code of conduct I quoted from earlier, there is a very strong emphasis throughout on avoiding discrimination of any kind.
Perhaps in the future no one will think twice about a teacher being a sex worker on the side. If that happens, the institutional standards in schools will change, too. But IMHO that’s not where we are today.