OnlyFans may not be in the classroom but it’s hardly private behavior.
I musta missed when the FCC started to allow porn on over the air TV.
I didn’t say it was. I said it wasn’t something she did in the classroom. That’s where I draw the line.
The line I draw is: does the teacher do this in front of the kids?
It’s a clear, consistent line.
For behavior that’s not done in front of the kids, I ask: does it demonstrate very strongly that the teacher is likely to do the job poorly (e.g., a teacher that attends Klan rallies is unlikely to teach kids appropriately about our history, or to treat Black students fairly)? Does it demonstrate clearly illegal activity?
If the answer to both questions is “no,” then it doesn’t really matter how icky I find the behavior. Hell, they can attend a Prosperity Gospel church in broad daylight, and I won’t demand their firing.
Pointing out the gaping holes in your logic isn’t a “what if.” You offered a justification about “students making fun of the teacher,” for why it’s okay to fire a teacher for doing porn, but haven’t been able to explain why that justification only applies to teachers who do porn, and not to teachers who engage in any other behavior that might cause their students to disrespect them.
I’m not sure exactly what “absurd direction” you think this is navigating away from, but you are once again eliding the distinction between, “Things the teacher does when not in a classroom,” and “Things a teacher does while they are in the classroom.” I don’t think it would be okay for a teacher to take a shit in front of their whole class, much as I don’t think it would be okay for a teacher to have sex in front of their whole class. But we’re not talking about a teacher having sex in front of their whole class, so I’m at a genuine loss figuring out why you think a teacher taking a shit in front of their whole class is a relevant analogy.
This is a better line to draw (even if less of a bright line) than my “in school” vs. “not in school” distinction.
Well the kids know the teacher is in a porno. So they can ask the teacher how to find the porn. And if the teacher refuses to answer, one of the other kids probably knows how to find the porn.
So is it in front of the kids? Seems like it to me.
I would expect a teacher to refuse to answer something like that.
In the case of OnlyFans, I think you can only see the porn if you sign up and pay for it, although I haven’t done the research. Are kids “finding the porn” because adults are sharing it with them, or are they illegally using a parent’s credit card, or what?
There are studies showing watching porn has adverse effects on children (I posted a couple upthread). It’s not far-fetched to believe watching an authority figure (their teacher) engaged in porn would be at least as harmful to kids as watching strangers doing it, and probably more-so. It’s also not far-fetched to believe kids could very well learn of their teachers doing porn and be motivated to see it for themselves (and if they’re younger, it may be for the first time), and they’d have little difficulty doing so (kids are tech-savvy). It’s also not far-fetched to believe kids may easily be motivated to ridicule, mock and lose respect for teachers who engage in porn, because sex is a hot topic for kids, and that the ridicule and mockery is likely to be much more intense with sex related matters than non-sex matters, because, again, sex is a hot topic for kids.
Sure, kids may ridicule a teacher for having a big nose, or learning that he/she was cheated on, or many other perceived shortcomings, but do you really think the ridicule will be as severe, or long-lasting as teacher/ SEX?
In addition, there are no studies that show watching people (including teachers) with big noses, or people cheated on, etc. is in any way harmful to kids. But porn is harmful to children.
Therefore:
Watching porn (especially teachers doing porn) is harmful to kids, and the ridicule and mockery assigned to porn-acting teachers is likely to be more severe and long-lasting. This is liable to result in poor learning for an extended time (IMHO).
Having a teacher with a big nose, or cuckholded, or whatever, is not harmful to children, and the ridicule and mockery assigned to big nosed, cuck teachers is likely to be mild, and short-lasting (IMHO).
It’s a matter of degree. Ideally, no teacher would be ridiculed, mocked, or disrespected for any legal reason, but kids do it all the time. However, short lived mild mockery/disrespect would have little effect on kids learning. On the other hand, long-term mockery/disrespect (along with harmful viewing) could have significant effect, IMHO.
Extramarital affairs are just as sexual as porn.
And we still have to conclude that if the ridicule for having a big nose, or learning that he/she was cheated on, or many other perceived shortcomings is severe, or long-lasting, then that is grounds for firing that teacher.
But not as graphic, unless the kid wanders into the bedroom.
Well, a teacher using his big nose to penetrate in an online porn video should be fired.
…it obviously isn’t. I don’t even know how to respond to something so incontrovertibly counterfactual.
And if the kid DOES wander into the bedroom–or access a porn movie–it’s the kid who’s violating the boundary, not the adult. And it’s the kid’s parent’s responsibility to keep the kid from violating that boundary.
Or tells the class that they are going to Las Vegas and now everyone thinks they are (gasp) a degenerate gambler and drinker?
So should the person that told the student(s) their teacher did porn be fired from their job or otherwise punished?
Snitches get stiches.
Did any male teachers who were clients of Ashley Madison get fired when their identities were revealed?
Yes, but we’re not talking about children watching porn, are we? Why do you keep conflating these two very different issues?
Well, disagree on that one across the board. You’re really reaching for reasons to punish this woman.
Yeah, probably. Especially for stuff like physical characteristics that they can actually see, and not just this notional idea that their teachers is getting naked on camera somewhere where they can’t see it.
Mind, the puritan hysteria around the subject doesn’t help. Kids take their cues for stuff like this from adults, and seeing the adults freak out over it is just going to tell them that it’s something secret and shameful that she deserves to be mocked over. Treat it like its no big deal, and they’ll eventually treat it the same way.
Isn’t that the whole driving fear though? Seriously.
I am fairly confident, even without polling available, that the vast majority of parents, including among those supportive of the teacher keeping her teaching position after her additional employment was discovered, do not want their children internalizing that doing porn is a normal adult activity, no big deal.
I don’t think teachers have role model in their outside of professional life as a reasonable part of their job description. Parents, family, chosen social circles, are where that should more ideally be coming from.
I am comfortable with giving the message that what teacher does outside of school is not our business, end of discussion.
And I am uncomfortable communicating to kids that doing porn is no big deal.