What exactly do you think that sort of discussion would need to include that you object to?
When I was in school, they told us about AIDS and people with AIDS. They told us it was caused by HIV, that the virus was transferred through things like sex, sharing needles during drug use, or getting it from the mother in utero; that people with AIDS weren’t contagious to the touch, and should be treated like people, with dignity and respect.
Those are the sorts of things you’d need to communicate to children in this kind of situation. That people who make porn exist; that they are not criminals; and that they deserve basic human dignity and respect.
Again, I am being super specific here, so I don’t appreciate you trying to paint this as some crazy offbranch. If you don’t want to have this discussion, don’t. We don’t have to reply to one another.
I am responding to a specific claim you made; that it would not be appropriate to talk to kids in a classroom about how to treat people who are involved with porn with dignity, because talking about anything sex adjacent is too much of a minefield. I disagree, and have tried to show a number of situations where things that are just as sex adjacent are appropriate to discuss.
If you aren’t interested in having that conversation, say so, and I will stop trying to have it; but I don’t appreciate these barbed posts.
I didn’t say you advocate firing the teacher. I am responding to your claim that talking about anything at all sex adjacent is too much of a minefield to ever be appropriate. That is a dangerous claim because it is very close to the grooming allegations raised against teachers who are LGBT allied.
Then I guess I don’t understand why you don’t think that is something a teacher could communicate to their class in response to another teacher’s OnlyFans being discovered.
I figured that my kids would learn how to use the internet. So i didn’t try to shield then from porn, i tried to teach them how they could safely interact with it. Which included teaching them how to look at a URL and guess what was on the other end. (My tween daughter had a school assignment that involved googling “Caligula”. Fortunately, she asked me to help her.) I didn’t do a perfect job, but i don’t think my kids were damaged by porn, either.
I’m dubious. I’m pretty sure most boys and many girls investigate porn when they become interested in sex.
That matches my experience. We had a hot young French teacher who was rumored to talk dirty to some of the boys over the av equipment. I don’t know if she was mocked, but it was certainly scandalous. We had a band teacher who was mocked and ridiculed because the students believed he was gay. But actually, both were effective teachers.
Because that’s how the world works. Are you really that naive?
The Boston museum of fine arts has a large collection of pornographic drinking vessels from ancient Greece.
I think I’m older than you, but we talked about where babies come from and all the STIs you might catch in my sex ed class. That was about it.
It wasn’t many hours of instruction. Sex ed was just a small part of the state-mandated “health” class, so mostly we talked about nutrition and exercise.
Not the world I live in. Adults may ridicule people cheated on, but in my experience from childhood, I never encountered a child who made fun of someone who was cheated on. Either they didn’t care (not as exciting as video sex), or they felt sorry (aw, your dad cheated on your mom, and now you’re moving away? That sucks).
We had a decently modern sex ed class (though I assume I probably underestimate how dated it actually is). At the end of each day the teacher would open a box of anonymous questions and answer them to the class. Some would inevitably lead to snickering, but then he would seriously answer even the weirdest questions (because to be fair, when you’re a kid whose parents didn’t talk to you about this stuff, you get some pretty weird ideas).
A couple questions have stuck in my mind for all of these years, and I believe at least a handful of those I don’t remember were about porn/masturbating.
Well, you’re responding to your slight modification of my mid-discussion reference, in a response to Procrustus, to the claim I actually introduced back in post #853:
You have managed to turn that into an argument with a somewhat strawish opponent who apparently disagrees with you that it’s appropriate to convey to children “that people who make porn exist; that they are not criminals; and that they deserve basic human dignity and respect”.
That opponent is sufficiently distant from the points I was actually trying to make that I don’t see the point of continuing to try to elucidate our differences.
I don’t get it. This is the topic: How do we feel about teachers fired for posting homemade porn?
I feel bad for the teachers, but good for the benefit of kids. Though I’ve softened a bit and now think porn teachers should only be let go from teaching temporarily, and reinstated after they quit porn, and any lingering disruption subsides.
But, to the point, it wouldn’t matter if teachers posted porn, if nobody watched it. It’s kids watching the porn that their teacher posts that affects them (1. scandals disrupt learning; 2. early exposure to porn is bad for kid’s mental well-being).
Right. That’s the topic, and not, “How do we feel about kids watching porn?” So it’s sort of weird that you keep bringing it up. We all agree, kids should not watch porn. The teacher in question didn’t show porn to any children. Kids watching porn isn’t relevant to the debate, your tenuous attempts at linking them notwithstanding.
Merely saying that the teacher didn’t directly expose children to porn simplifies and narrows the debate, making it one-sided and uninteresting. This perspective implies that since children weren’t known to have seen the teacher’s posted content, there’s no cause for dismissal or reprimand. After all, without children directly witnessing the material or spreading rumors among their peers, the impact on students is minimal, if existent at all. At most, there might be adult gossip overheard by kids, hardly a concern that significantly disrupts the learning environment. Therefore, the debate appears to conclude with little to no harm done to any child.
However, this shouldn’t mark the end of the debate. We should consider the possibility that children could have encountered the posted pornography online. No website is entirely impervious to hacking, leaving a non-zero chance of such exposure occurring. In that scenario, the potential effects on students become a valid subject for debate.
Some contend that if children did view the inappropriate material, it’s their fault for seeking it out. Conversely, others, myself included, argue that the responsibility lies with the teacher for creating a situation where children could be exposed to explicit content (teacher porn).
If we reduce the debate to whether a teacher, by creating adult-oriented content only accessible to adults, should face consequences, the answer seems clear: no. Punishing someone for producing adult content that remains within adult boundaries feels like a moral crusade which I want nothing to do with. So, I’ll bow out now.
It’s a pay website, and there have been no reports it was hacked. If children viewed the site, it’s almost certainly because a child either had a credit card or stole a credit card and paid to view the material. (Or, i suppose, a child’s parent viewed the site and showed their child.) I would bet that most of the children gossiping merely knew the porn existed, and hadn’t seen it. Just as i heard gossip that the French teacher was flirting with boys, but she never said anything improper to me.
Naw, specific phrases were included in the gossip. Either she was hitting on some of the boys, or they were making shit up.
By the way, my school-sponsored sex ed sucked, but we had a surprisingly good drug ed segment in 6th grade. We learned what most of the then-common recreational drugs were, read first person narratives about what people experienced on many of them, learned what they looked like, learned something about how addictive they were, and were taught useful advise like “if you try a new drug, do it in the presence of people who have used that drug before”.
