So, I’m (hypothetically) in a bar next to this older guy. We chat and I learn that he is, in fact, The LEGENDARY JACKIE CHAN. I tell him how much I love his movies and how bad-ass I think he is.
Unfortunately, four guys from the local MMA gym are there too. They get in our faces and call him a poseur.
After he attempts to De-escalate the situation and fails, he has to fight.
I’m cowering like a scared bunny and he’s on his own.
So, does he politely apologize, get his butt kicked, or does/can he kick butt?
none his bodyguards should of never let them get close enough … he should have to have them just like boxers and most mma guys do … you can go to jail for throwing a punch if your a professional fighter
He’s suffered a fair few injuries over the years, and he’s in his 60s now. I would not be confident that he could beat one younger, trained man, let alone four.
Wiki doesn’t list any kind of formal competition record.
He has trained in several martial arts all his life so it would depend on how realistic any sparring might have been.
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Jackie Chan, at his age, regardless of how good he is/was, should not be mixing it up with 4 trained fighters.
I trained for 2ish yrs with Benny “The Jet” Urquidez Back in my late 20’s. He has a hell of a kickboxing record from the 70’s. He’s been in a few movies with Jackie Chan (some of the best fight sequences ever put to film (Wheels on Meals and Dragon’s Forever)) back in the 80’s and 90’s. When asked if he could take Jackie in a real fight, he always says that he could, but it would be tough.
I always think of Jackie Chan as the environment fighter, obviously his fights were highly choreographed but he did train with all sorts of weapons in his youth. I don’t know about now because of his age or in hand-to-hand but I imagine if you put almost any kind of weapon in his hands he’d probably kick the ass of a similarly armed opponent maybe even two, but more than that is pushing it.
In his prime any one of those four guys would wipe the floor with him. At his age against four he would end up as the kind of corpse that makes the grizzled cop say “what kind of ANIMAL would do this to another human being?” while the rookie cop turns around and pukes.
He always gets his butt kicked against four reasonably trained MMA fighters. Now, when he was younger, any time. He could only ever take on four trained Kung Fu fighters because their fighting style requires them to attack an opponent one at a time instead of all together, the MMA fighters are not constrained in that way.
More seriously, Jackie Chan was a remarkably gifted athlete. He was trained to be a performer in the brutal Peking Opera school. He trained in a variety of martial arts styles, however he had a career as an actor and stuntman, not as a professional fighter. His extraordinary speed and dexterity would have made him a serious threat to other fighters his own size, but not four of them.
I don’t know if it means anything but Jackie Chan’s early martial arts training was at the Chinese Opera Research Institute. The name makes me wonder how hard the sparring was (though apparently it was a crazy strict boarding school that used corporal punishment).
I don’t know, I mean they are trained mma fighters but hes God Dammed Jackie The Muther Fucker Chan. Does the mma train guys to take a hit in the face from a bucket Jackie just Punted off his friends head?
Honestly I suspect vrs a modern mma guy from the UFC in his weight class, even at his prime, he would have lost. Those guys are stupid skilled at unarmed combat while Jackie is an incredibly gifted actor with insane physical skills. Now if you took a young Jackie and put him into a modern mma school I suspect he would end up a champion fighter as an adult.
I would love to see Andre the Giant in the UFC.
He was trained as a stuntman; not a fighter. He made a semi-autobiographical film about his early years…
From the OP, “4 local MMA gym fighters”. There is a vast difference between local gym hobbysits (which span the gamut of ‘deadly’ to ‘glass jaw poseur who trips over own feet’) and professional fighters.
I would always put a professional fighter on top of an actor, hobbyist, or traditionalist. They have all legs of the three-legged fighting stool (technique, conditioning, endurance) while actors have only one (technique). I might give Jackie credit for conditioning also, due to his near-immunity to damage and pain, but in no way would he have fight endurance.
(Don’t mean to hijack) That is SO cool. Benny’s few screen appearances were memorable (Meals on Wheels scene is great !).
What was Benny like ? Were you training with him when he worked with John Cusack ? (did you ever meet John Cusack ?)
Just for fun, here is that Benny v Jackie Dragons Forever fight scene:
I see Jackie Chan was about 19 when Bruce Lee died. Did they ever meet or work together?
nm… finding plenty of articles on the net
Huh. I get why they put in a stunt double for Benny when he got kicked through the glass cabinet, but it looked like there was a stunt double a few times before that too - at 26 sec, 30 sec, and 48 sec. Wonder why.
Thanks for this - it led me to this -
WHich I had never seen before - damn.I suspect that by this point, Jackie is mostly an arthritic mess. I - a desk jockey - wouldn’t want to mess with him, but that’s probably about the extent of his badassness. But even when he was young, it’s unlikely that he would be able to do much about four trained fighters - even minimally trained ones.
Just to pull off the stunts that he did, fighting multiple opponents, Jackie had to work with a regular crew of guys who had worked together a bunch and had a good sense of the “rhythm”, like a dance, so that they all responded to one another in a steady, predictable tempo. If you watch the films, you can see the rhythm as they punch, pause, jump, pause, duck, pause, etc. There’s a steady beat through the fight. Minus that, coordinating a response to multiple attackers would be pretty impossible.
If they were stupid and came at him one by one, so that he could try to get one good hit in to take them down, maybe he might have a chance, but really his best option would be to run away. But if, instead, they just swarm in and try to grab him and throw him to the ground, as one body, he’d basically be toast.
I do believe that he has won a few fighting tournaments, and keeping fit and punching lots of things were part of his daily life for years, so I imagine that he would be really good in most one-to-one fights if he was younger. It’s just the four-to-one part that’s really problematic.
Obviously, fighting with most of these odd objects would be impractical compared to a real weapon, and I’m sure that Jackie Chan chose to use them - things like kettles or noodle dough - more for humor value than anything, but after a few decades of swinging around all sorts of strange objects - even if it was all in a choreographed stunt performance - I wouldn’t be surprised if he is actually the most proficient fighter with any random object that you could put in a man’s hands, of anyone on the planet.
It would be interesting to see how he well he could instinctively take in and utilize something you handed him. He’s had to experience so many unwieldy things and repeat martial movements with them, that you just have to assume that at least some of that has stuck.
Yes. They definitely “worked” together (If by “work” you mean Bruce broke Jackie’s neck - or that’s implied), in “Enter the Dragon”. You kind of have to know when to pause to see that it’s Jackie.