How In God's Name Can You NOT Have a Bank Account?

Hubby’s workplace is switching over to direct-deposit of all paychecks. They’ve known it was coming for almost a year now, and as the deadline approaches, the mood is getting ugly. People are downright enraged over it, and honestly, if union regs didn’t forbid it, I think they might have called a strike.

What’s the problem? Many of the employees don’t have bank accounts, and what’s more, they don’t WANT bank accounts. I’m utterly flabbergasted over this-- how in this modern era, can you get along without one? Mind you, there are no minimum wage jobs at his workplace-- the lowest salary you can pull is 30K and many make sgnificantly more.

Hubby told me that he had asked some delicate questions among the ones who don’t have bank accounts (nearly half of the employees!), trying to see how they managed to get along. Apparently, they buy money orders to pay bills which must be paid by check, and do all of their transactions by cash. They pay fees at banks and grocery stores and the like to get their checks cashed every week.

I was in the bank the other day. I had a complicated transaction and all of the tellers were busy, so the bank manager took me into his office to do it. While he was working on it, we chatted a bit, and I found out he had just returned from Hubby’s workplace. They had set up a table inside the front door to assist people who wanted to set up their accounts before the deadline and to give out information to those who needed help. If the employees don’t chose a bank, they’ll automatically be assigned to XYZ Bank which has some fees and other pain-in-the-butt procedures that they can avoid by chosing a bank of their own. He said another couple of bank chains had set up tables, too, so there was plenty of choice.

All of the tables were ostentatiously ingored. He said people actually crossed the room so they wouldn’t even have to walk by. Out of almost 1,500 employees that passed by those tables, only a handful stopped for information.

Are they hoping if they ignore it, it will go away, or like with the Medicare sign-up thread, will banks be deluged the day before the deadline? I don’t know. It just amazes me how many people don’t have bank accounts.

It extends to their retirement savings, as well. Recently, they had a meeting for employees who are about to retire. Hubby spoke to one man who was utterly dejected when he left the meeting. He had just discovered that he couldn’t afford to retire and didn’t know what he was going to do.

This man had worked here for over twenty-five years. He had no savings. He had lived in one of the houses provided by the workplace (which has a rent of about $200 a month.) He had no children. Once he retired, he would have to leave the worker house, and he couldn’t afford to buy another, or even pay rent on an apartment on the reduced retirement salary because of all of his other bills. I was astonished by this story. What did they guy and his wife spend all of their money on that they had nothing to show for 25+ years of a 50K salary?

Another of Hubby’s co-workers wants to retire soon. We’re friends with this guy, so we know quite a bit about his financial situation. He recently sold his house, which he had owned for nearly thirty years. He had no equity in it, so he’s got a full mortgage on the other house he bought. He told us how much he had in his retirement saving, and I nearly fell over, because Hubby has only worked there for eight years and we had almost double what this guy saved in twenty.

I just don’t understand it. Don’t people stop to think about how much money they’re wasting on money orders by refusing to have a bank account? (Not to mention the pain in the ass it must be driving around to purchase them.) How can you reach retirement having not realized what your pension will be and that you won’t be able to live on it unless you save?

Hubby and I are careless with our money, I’ll admit. We live above our means and we buy whatever we want, but we have made plans for the future. (Our retirement savings comes right off of Hubby’s paycheck before we even get it.) There are hundreds of savings and retirement programs his workplace offers, and they even send planners around to talk to people. It can’t be neglecting to think of it-- it has to be a REFUSAL to think about it.

My father makes about $150k a year, and he hasn’t had a bank account in years. It is a bit unusual, but it seems to work for him.

He has absolutely no debt, and pays cash for everything (even cars).

My brother in-law works at GM. He says a lot of the line workers “save checks” when they want to buy something big; i.e., they have no savings account they just stash pay-checks in the drawer until they have enough money.

My brother in-law on the other hand, is a great money manager.

My husband deals with a lot of people who don’t have bank accounts. In his job, he sells health insurance to people who haven’t got it through work, which includes a lot of blue-collar people. When I heard about this the first time, I was shocked. I’ve had a bank account since I was probably around ten years old. I mentioned this to my hairdresser, and she told me her parents hadn’t ever had a bank account.

They rent, they pay cash. They make money orders for everything. It’s so foreign to me, but then the US has more invasive questions when opening a bank account. I can see why people wouldn’t want to share.

I didn’t have a bank account for a while after I moved to Madison because I didn’t have enough spare cash to meet the minimum deposit requirement. Which is a really lame excuse for someone who’s making $30K or more a year. I ended up going to a credit union with a $5 minimum deposit requirement. I’d never go back to a bank.

I understand your astonishment completely, but I’m a little uncomfortable with the idea of forcing people to participate in a system when they don’t want to. Personally, I can’t imagine keeping all my money in a drawer somewhere. But forcing people to become bank customers is just a big gift to the banking industry, and what have they done to deserve it?

Here’s a big part of it. It takes money to open up a bank account, and it takes money to live without one. Immediate expenses are far more pressing than future ones, and immediate purchases are far more gratifying.

I think the other big factor is that people who grow up without a lot of money are not disposed to save, no matter their current financial situation. Take a look at Americans without bank accounts, and you’ll probably see that group overrepresented.

I was under the impression that I was horribly behind the curve for not having set up direct deposit. I’m so accustomed to using my debit card and paying bills online that it’s hard to imagine life without a bank account.

I’ve wondered this many times as well. Why wouldn’t you have a bank account? I’ve had a checking account since I was 18 years old and leaving for college. I didn’t even have a job at the time…my deposit was made up of checks I’d received as high school graduation gifts. Why would you take your paycheck to a check-cashing place where they take so much out, instead of taking it to a bank and setting up an account? And with direct deposit–well, it’s just a no-brainer to me!

It makes so little sense that I’ve wondered what part of the equation I was missing.

I would be a little peeved at being forced to take direct deposit, though, even though I know how convenient it is. One of my former employers instituted a policy of not sending paystubs to people who had direct deposit. Instead, they got the paystubs e-mailed to their company e-mail account. However, at the time of the switch to this policy, not everyone in the company had access to their company e-mail–including people in my position. So, I got my paychecks–and the paystub–mailed to my house because I did like being able to see how much money I was making, even if I did hate taking the checks to the bank to be deposited! Eventually, they did wise up and give us little people “kiosks” where we could access our company e-mail, and I did switch to direct deposit then. However, that company could have saved a lot more money with its “cost-saving measure” if they had just thought things through a bit.

just a question: are some of these employees wit no bank accts illegal aliens?

Some people just do not like banks or dealing with banks. I don’t know if it’s fear that the bank will go under, which has happened in the not too distant past with Savings and Loans, or maybe not wanting to deal with the banking industry or maybe even simply that they like to actually cash checks and pay for things with cash–it’s hard to make a generalization. However there definitely are folks who are like that, and when they are being forced into a situation many folks dig their heels in and become even more stubborn about making a change.

Someone up thread mentioned credit unions - maybe there is a credit union option for some of the employees? They often have better rates than banks and less fees as well. Maybe the employees would be more open to that option if your hubby wants to suggest it. I belong to a credit union and while I’ve had problems with them from time to time (like my direct deposit not being available when it was supposed to be, and their ATM network not being as large as it is supposed to be …), I’ve been a customer for nearly 30 years.

As hard as it may be to believe, not everyone has a computer or wants to pay bills online. And some folks just like paying for things in cash.

Right there with you. I don’t get not having a bank/credit union account, myself. I was thinking about this very topic the other day, as a matter of fact. I work in customer service at a grocery store. One of our services is Western Union. A man came in and made a 15.00 credit card payment via Western Union. The charge for the transaction was 12.95. It cost him nearly as much as the payment itself just to send it! Mind boggling.

You don’t have to have a bank account for direct deposit. I got an offer for a self-funded Mastercard that you can either fund by bank transfer or direct deposit. All the money goes into the Mastercard account, and you use it as you would a check card from your checking account.

When I worked for the Baltimore CASH Campaign (organization that provides free tax prep to low-income families) I was sent to a seminar on the ‘unbanked’, the estimated 10 million American households without bank accounts. A lot of folks just don’t trust banks. Or they feel bank fees are too high, or they spend every penny of their income every month anyway so why have a bank account? Without bank accounts they’re often prey for the check-cashing outfits, which charge ridiculous rates of interest.

Surely they can find a bank that offers free checking with no minimum balance required? That’s the way mine is, and I even get a Mastercard debit card with it, and $600 in overdraft protection, which has saved my ass numerous times. Even if some of them don’t own computers, most credit card companies/phone companies/cable companies/etc. will let you pay your bill over the phone, either using a debit card or doing a check by phone. It just seems to me that would be a lot easier than running all over town cashing your check and buying money orders and stamps and dropping off local payments. We used to do that and it was a major PITA. Now we spend 20 minutes on the computer and bam, the bills are paid and we are merry.

Considering her husband works in a prison, which would be a government job, I highly doubt it.

He’s also a teacher!

I can understand paying cash for purchases - but for services, how do you pay cash for your electric bill?

There was a story something like this and I couldn’t wrap my mind around why she didn’t go to a bank. Had the minimum, easily.

In short - my bank screwed me.

Someone got hold of my information and tried to defraud the bank using it. They eventually cleared me (yay, I don’t get charged), but never unlocked my account. I couldn’t put anything in or take anything out. Yet. they continued to charge me service charges. Eventually, I went from havint $100 in the account to owing them $250. I tried fighting it for a while, then I just gave up and payed them.

And, guess what? Several months later, and they’re again claiming I owe them the money.

So, I have a feeling I won’t be bothering with a bank account again any time soon.

I don’t know about you, but my bank account is in my name.

I have a classmate who makes 50K without a degree. After rent/bills/etc., he spends almost all of the rest of his income eating out, hitting bars and gambling on sports. Every single meal he eats is in a restaurant of some kind (he’s actually in great physical shape, as he doesn’t eat red meat or fried food) and every time he comes to class he’s talking to the class’s other sports-better about who has the over-under on what. He’s also going to lose another $20 when the Suns beat the Clippers to advance to the Western Conference finals. :smiley: Anyway, he found he has no savings and no income left over, so he decided to go to college to make more money. My solution would be to spend less money, and I told him, “Give me your job–I’ll happily take 50K!” But to each their own.

I don’t understand the phenomenon, as I’m living on three months total of minimum-wage income and I’m neither in debt nor about to run out of money soon.

Don’t checks “go bad” eventually? I had some checks I got as birthday presents, didn’t do anything with them, and tried to cash them a few months later to make a purchase and they had expired.

I’ve known illegal aliens with bank accounts and very substantial savings.

Savings are insured.

BTW, I don’t know if I’ve asked you this before, but would you happen to be near Bowie?