As bolstered by the fact that Zimmerman was specifically told not to go after Martin yet went out anyway, with a gun, to follow him.
Under the same circumstances, had the police come along and shot Zimmerman instead the Usual Suspects would undoubtedly be here explaining why it was all the victim’s fault for not obeying the police and for being a threat by following an innocent person while armed.
I have, you just didn’t like what they say about you.
You’ve done nothing but dismiss reality while offering none of your own. You *could *just admit you ain’t got any fuckin’ way to continue to deny the obvious.
According to the evidence, both that of Dee Dee and of Zimmerman’s contemporaneous statements, Martin and Zimmerman had lost sight of each other. Thus if Martin had simply walked into his own living room, he would not have reasonably expected that Zimmerman would be able to tell where he lived. Martin had to go looking for Zimmerman. So no, that’s not reasonable.
No, it is not more reasonable.
First, there is no evidence that Zimmerman asked anything in a threatening manner. Dee Dee testified that Zimmerman sounded like an old man when he said the only words she reports him as saying.
Second, asking “what are you doing” is not something against which you need to defend yourself using violence. Even if it is asked by a scary fat white guy, and especially if you don’t find the scary fat white guy scary or fat or white enough to simply avoid by walking into your own house.
By all means, examine the motives of both.
Zimmerman shot Martin because Martin put him in fear of death or serious injury by attacking him, breaking his nose, blackening his eyes, and beating his head against the ground. Martin attacked Zimmerman, broke his nose, blackened his eyes, and beat his head against the ground, because Zimmerman put him in fear of death or serious injury by asking him what he was doing.
One of these is a reasonable motive. The other is not.
Regards,
Shodan
As has been pointed out several times, if Zimmerman were brandishing his gun under Martin’s nose at any point, why did Zimmerman wait for more than a minute while Martin beat him, knocked him down, and sat on his chest smashing his head on the ground?
As far as making a citizen’s arrest, why then did Zimmerman instantly contact the police upon spotting Martin? You will remember that Zimmerman was trying to find out a house number or street name, so that he could give a more precise location where he could meet up with the police, who were on their way. It was while Zimmerman was doing that when Martin doubled back from his father’s girlfriend’s condo, sought him out, and confronted and attacked him.
The person who was trying to take action on his own account, and was looking for something dramatic to happen, was Martin.
Regards,
Shodan
What’s your theory behind Martin’s motive, Shodan? Why did he go back and track down Zimmerman, then attack him?
No, you haven’t, and now you’re trying to use this silly bluster to cover up that fact. It’s not working.
We don’t know that he did that. At best that’s a guess that may fit the evidence, but it’s only one guess of many possibilities that are consistent with the evidence.
He was looking for a fight. Martin thought of himself as a bad-ass. Remember the whole “NO LIMIT NIGGA” thing?
He had been kicked out of school for drugs and theft and vandalism, his mother couldn’t handle him, so she sent him to his father to see if his father could do any better.
Martin thought he was a tough guy. Maybe he was. Few people, however, are tougher than a bullet.
You fuck with enough people, sooner or later you find you fucked with the wrong people. He was only 17, so this was sooner.
Regards,
Shodan
Thanks! 
Dee Dee testified that Martin “say he lost the guy” and said he was “right by his father house”. You’re saying that should be understood to mean something else?
Cool story, bro.
Meanwhile, Zimmerman was also looking for a fight. He was told by the police to stay inside and not confront Martin, yet he took a weapon and followed Martin. Unlike Martin, Zimmerman had an actual history of violence including assaulting an undercover police officer and a restraining order for domestic violence.
Zimmerman thought he was a tough guy. Maybe he was. Or maybe he was just a violent, insecure and unstable individual looking to hurt someone, and that someone turned out to be a 17-year-old boy.
This could mean many things, even taken with all the other evidence. We don’t know what exactly happened, and exactly what choices were made by Martin, and why, and we probably never will.
Did you even read those transcripts? Because they paint a picture that’s very different than the one you’re claiming they do. Trayvon lost the guy, his girlfriend is telling him to run, but he’s telling her, “relax, I’m right by my dad’s house, I’m safe”. That’s when he sees that Zimmerman is stalking him again, but he’s breathing hard, and doesn’t start running again:
Clearly, if it took a “couple of minutes” then when he said he was “right by his father’s house” he didn’t mean “at the front door”.
Trayvon Martin didn’t track down Zimmerman. Based on your own cite, Zimmerman was initially following Martin when he saw him standing underneath the covered roof of the mail shed. When he realized that a grown man was watching him from his car, he ran to his father’s house. He lost Zimmerman and slowed to a walk, because he was winded, once he got to his father’s street. That’s when Zimmerman approached him again. Trayvon, who is on his own street (and piss off, Shodan, it’s a gated community where his father lives, and he is living with his father. It IS his own street, and he has every right to be there) shouldn’t be being followed by an asshole with a vigilante hardon.
Shodan, HurricaneDitka, I realize this case happened a long time ago, and maybe you’ve forgotten what actually happened. You both claimed that Dee Dee’s testimony shows that Martin doubled back from his dad’s house, tracked down Zimmerman, and assaulted him. THIS IS NOT WHAT THE TEXT SHOWS US. So I will now accept your apology for your mistake. I’m sure it wasn’t intentional, you just don’t remember the details of a 6 year old case very well.
That is the most disgusting thing I’ve ever read. Yep, claiming to be a “no limit nigga” makes you a danger to society. Thankfully, a hero like Zimmerman was around to stop him. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
How about this, one of many, many violent incidents that Zimmerman was involved in:
So pulling a shotgun on your girlfriend is A-OK but being a “no limit nigga” makes you a danger to society. Good to know, Shodan. Good to know.
Her testimony does not prove that he was directly next to his father’s house and then he went back to confront Martin. Right by his fathers house could also be where the confrontation occurred. He could have been standing right where Zimmerman encountered him and where the incident occurred and said he was “right by my father’s house”. We are talking about a couple hundred feet. As I said earlier, My parents yard is 350 feet long, if I was in the back of the yard but was describing to a friend where I was, I would say that I was at my parents house. That does not mean that I’m literally arms reach of the door. If I was walking to my house and was a block down and a friend asked where I was I could easily say right by my house. You are adding a lot of your own meaning to her words that just isn’t there.
Also she said he sounded scared. This does not fit with the theory that he was about to actually walk into his dad’s house and then decided, for some reason, that he had to go back and start a fight because of his violent tendencies that there is no evidence of.
Moi? 
Strangely, you left out this part (bolding mine):
So after Martin lost Zimmerman, Martin left reports that Zimmerman has found him again. And then…
In addition, the transcript mentions that Martin was scared by Zimmerman following him and that Zimmerman was “looking crazy”. Dee Dee also reported that Zimmerman sounded angry when Martin asked him why he was following him and that Martin was heard saying “get off” during the apparent struggle.
So this whole “Martin lost him and was right by his father’s house, and then went back to find Zimmerman and started a fight” narrative not only isn’t supported by the transcript cited but is actively contradicted by it. In addition, the fact that Martin was described as frightened and too tired to run away actively contradicts the characterization of Martin as a “tough guy” who was “looking for a fight”. Conversely, Zimmerman is described as angry, intimidating and instigating the conflict.
Funny how that is.
This was the most predictable response in this whole thread. No matter what either of us said about possible reasons for Martin attacking Zimmerman, the response was always going to be along these lines: ‘disgusting’ ‘slandering the dead’ ‘won’t somebody think of the children’ ‘oh my feels’.
Stuff your outrage. Martin started a fight which he lost. He should not have done that.
He started it except for the being stalked and confronted and threatened part, that is.
There’s no evidence that Martin was “threatened” by Zimmerman. We’ve been over this already.
And what have you got for the “confronted” part? Martin was the one that started the conversation with Zimmerman, according to Dee Dee. Sounds to me like he was confronting Zimmerman, not the other way around.
As for “stalked”, you’re apparently not using the legal definition, so rather than me guess at what personal definition you may be using, why don’t you just tell me what you mean by “stalked”.