How loud does something have to be to kill someone?

I saw this once on BattleBots, that it took 150 dB to stop the human heart. Is this true? If so, I’m afraid, since I work in a VERY loud job enviroment (I assemble 747 engines).

So is there a fatal decibel level? And if so, is it really 150 dB?

Please tell me. I’m scared.

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Nick

That’s ridiculous.

There are any number of ways (poisoning, for instance) to kill someone in total silence.

Fatal decibel level, INDEED.

150 dB seems a little low for fatality, but I’d guess that 240 decibels might do it:

Arjuna34

Oops, I meant 210 decibels in my link …

Here’s a site that might interest you: Noise What You Can’t Hear Can Hurt You


SoundPressure 	SOURCE
Level (dB)
220 	Inside detonating diesel cylinder
210
200 	300m from Space Shuttle launch
190 	10m from detonating land mine
180 	(probable eardrum rupture)
170
160 	Shotgun blast at muzzle
150 	Jet takeoff at 10m (instant ear damage)
140 	Jet takeoff at 30m (protected ear limit)
130 	Pneumatic riveter (unprotected ear limit)
120 	Rock concert 2m from amplifier (pain threshold)
110 	Chainsaw at arm's length
100 	Very noisy factory (cumulative ear damage)
90  	Boiler room
80 	Inside open sports car
70	Busy office/normal speech at 1 m
60 	Washing machine/clothes dryer
50 	Light traffic
40 	Quiet bedroom
30 	Quiet countryside
20 	Recording studio
10 	Normal breathing
0 	Threshold of hearing
-10 	Too quiet
Sources:
Sanders & McCormick (1993)
Kantowitz & Sorkin (1983)
Taylor (1970)

And from the same site:

In response:

super loud!!!

I wonder what you would die from.

Seems like a high pitched noise would have to be a lot louder than a low tone one.

In my mind a low tone could vibrate you to death but a high tone would have to do something like pierce you.

I know a nuclear physicist, I’ll ask him.

My nieghbor is really loud,
I’m thinking of killing her. :stuck_out_tongue:

This thread reminds me of Douglas Adams and Disaster Area (IIRC, might be Disaster Zone), who typically broadcast their concerts from orbit and a single song could change planetary ecosystems…

wouldn’t a loud enough sound created a moving front of highly compressed air? That could be dense enough to set up a shock wave in the blood stream and stop your heart, or simply crush the shit out of you (perhaps literally).
jb

I dont know about stopping your heart…but it does seem odd to me that in movies ( yes I know, not the same as reality)the hero will escape an explosion but be so close to it that it flings him several feet in the air. Forget the shrapnel. He stands up and brushes the dirt off his clothes and might be slightly deaf for a moment or two but quickly recovers his hearing. No bloody nose? No burst eardrums that take more than a few minutes to heal?

Is it the force of the blast or the suddenness of the strong blast that does the damage?

MaMa Maroon

Hopefully, this is BEHIND the muzzle. In front of it, and 160 dB would be enough to kill you.

This site says that the Guinness Book of World Records says that 192 decibels causes internal injuries that could be fatal:
http://customer.centralbenefits.com/health/websrc/vol3num2/263/b263.htm

BTW, I hate to ruin the book if you haven’t read it, but noise is a cause of death in The Nine Tailors by Sayers.

I saw a science program on TV (so it must be true) describing a guy who was killed by a nearby (less than 10 meters) lightening strike, but had no visible injuries. Eventually doctors decided that the loud noise from the lightening (the thunder) hit his chest while his heart was at a particularly vulnerable point in between heartbeats, and his heart stopped. The same thing can happen to people who are struck in the chest by a baseball or other fast-moving object. It only rarely causes the heart to stop, but there is a small risk, if the heart happens to be at a certain point in its cycle.
CPR and prompt medical attention would probably save such a victim, so this is probably not a reliable way to kill someone with sound.

Thank you. I was wondering. Now I know I can’t die at work…no…wait…welding accidents, falling equipment, drunk employees, sharp objects, etc.
I hate working on an assembly line.

Here is the resposne I got from my friend:
Waxteeth, (funny how my friends call me that)
You are basically right about the sound waves. The frequency (wavelength) will penetrate the body differently for the different wavelengths. For example, ultrasound wavelengths penetrate the body nicely and are used to image internal body parts. Low frequency however doesn’t penetrate. Think of it this way. The low frequency waves have a long wavelength (wavelength x frequency = speed of sound). This wavelength is comparable or larger than your body size. Your body sees (or feels) the sound wave as a pressure burst. Think of sitting in front of a big speaker and feeling the base pound out against you. The higher frequency waves have a shorter wavelength and can penetrate the body. How far depends on how your body absorbs or reflects the sound waves. Either the long or the short wavelengths can cause pain, injury or death depending on the amount of energy deposited in your body.

For example, using ultra sound at low intensities, a doctor might image the baby in the womb, at higher power he might break apart kidney stones. Low frequency sound can cause damage too but it is more like feeling a big burst of air pressure. This burst of air pressure is what actually destroys things when a bomb blows up next to something. Most buildings do not take much pressure difference outside to inside before they collapse.

Sound intensity is measure using the audible decibel (different from power decibel) This measures sound on a logarithmic scale. This means every increase of 10 in decibels increases the sound intensity by 10, 50 dB is 10 times more intense then 40dB, 60 dB is 100 times more intense than 40 dB and so on. Interestingly enough, the human ear apparently works on a logarithmic scale also so 50 dB is not 10 times louder than 40 dB. The point of all of this is that the sound level to cause death is somewhere above 150dB. I’m not sure what exactly it is. I have been told that the payload bay of the Space Shuttle during launch can be around 160 to 170 dB (if I remember right) and was told this was a lethal level. There are many things that are loud enough to kill with the Space Shuttle being one of them.

I hope I answered your question. If not let me know and I’ll try again.

friend of waxteeth.

Thanks. That answered everything. The equipment at the assembly line only gets up to around 140-150 dB. Very loud. And I gave someone else my earplugs. Grrrrrr.

Ah well, I’ll by some tonight.

I’m posting this at work right now…oh great, coffee break’s over. Back to the assembly line.

I envy those who work in cube farms.

Heh.

I find it hard to believe that:

a) You are being exposed to this level of noise exposure without an OSHA and/or NIOSH inspector jumping all over your company, and

b) That you are being exposed to this level of noise without strictly mandated hearing protection (i.e. if you don’t have hearing protection, you are immediately ordered off of the assembly line).

In fact, I am certain that your company is required to supply you with adequate hearing protection. Also, earplugs alone aren’t going to cut it.

From http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/98-126f.html:

Robby: I had earplugs, but I gave them to a friend since he forgot his. I just bought new pair at the store, which is good, since I my hearing was temporarly gone for work. Which is also good since Bonnie Tyler was playing at the store I got them at.

The company I work at tries to ensure our safety, but there’s only so much they can do.

Ugh. Been there, hated it. Pal, until you’ve heard amplified bagpipes backed up by pitiful Korn riffs, you don’t know the meaning of hell.

This reminds me of last night’s Survivor when Rodger voted for Jerri and said,

'Nice Kid…way too loud."

jarbaby