Right, and I’m saying that when you spread out from your initial clump of people into a line that has two endpoints attempting to encircle strong guy, he’s going to run up and fight the endpoints one on one. He doesn’t have to run away, he just has to not passively let you encircle him.
Strong guy’s best strategy for winning is to force as many 1-on-1 fights as possible, which means that until the group’s numbers are so large that they can essentially swarm him from every direction and ignore that strategy, then they are going to have to huddle in a group for protection from him.
People above were suggesting 20-40 people, but also assuming that they can encircle the guy. I don’t think they’ll be able to if he’s trying to stop them, which means you likely need hundreds.
It’s fun to talk about what Rorschach or Captain America or Neo or Beatrix Kiddo would do in a fight. But they’re fictional characters and the writer lets them win. In a real world fight, one man cannot defeat a crowd unless the crowd is really incompetent.
Pressing in on him until he’s surrounded by closely-packed bodies isn’t going to stop him - he’ll just climb to the top of the pile, pushing broken bodies out of his way as needed. Even burying him in bodies would be dodgy - and hard to pull off in any practical sense.
To stop this guy (who can probably literally pull arms out of sockets, remember) you’re going to have to do damage or actually immobilize him. I’m not really seeing how sqeezing him is going to hurt him, and I’m quite certain that he can fight his way out, literally climbing over the people in his immediate vicinity.
How does he force the other people to only fight him one on one?
I said you keep your people close together as they form the circle. If the guy charges the guy at the end of the line and starts fighting him, there’s another guy standing six feet away. That second guy’s going to jump on the single guy’s back while he’s fighting the first guy. Then the third guy will join in while the single guy is fighting the first two. Then the fourth and fifth and maybe the sixth. At that point, there’s no sense adding more people to the fight yet, so have the rest of the group finish off the circle.
You may be the strongest guy in the field but you’ve only got two hands and two feet. You can’t fight everyone at the same time.
I think I’m either overestimating how quickly I’d lose a fight catastrophically to someone 10 times stronger than me or you are underestimating.
I’m not sure how to resolve that difference in mental model.
I think if I were on the flank and someone 10x stronger than me ran up (faster than me) and kicked me once, I’d be down for the duration of the fight with broken ribs or worse faster than the guy 6 feet behind me could do anything about it.
There’s also the fact that a mass of people is hard to coordinate. It’s not like they’re all going to move in perfect unison. And someone faster and stronger will find and exploit holes and weak points.
I’ll admit the ten times stronger factor is a wrinkle I never encountered. But other than that, I actually dealt with situations like this on numerous occasions. I think I have a more realistic appraisal of what a crowd fight is like than most people.
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A woolley mammoth did not have a human brain. And you did not attack them with steak knives.
Superhuman would just kill one, tear off his head, take the weapon he had and dare the rest to attack. These are average guys, they’d bow down to him and start sucking up to him. Start buying him drinks and praising him then kill him in his sleep. These are humans after all. Shifty back stabbing animals.
Plus I am between 5’9 and 6’6 depending on which particular convenience store I am leaving. I didn’t know how many men it would take to beat me up. But I knew how many they were going to use…
Way more than that, throat punching eight year olds would thin the heard significantly in the first couple minutes. Next, round two drops and unka Charlie gets a couple knives in hand then kick, stab, run repeat. That parking lot is gonna be a mess.
Psychologically there would need to be some significant motivation to keep the normals from noping right out of there after the initial carnage.
If superman had the same endurance as normal I’d say 10 waves of five men each would have him pretty well winded and once he’s out of gas he’s done for.