How many ordinary guys could one real-life badass take?

4 or so will accomplish the job every single time. The trick is to mob the crazy, accepting that you may get punched or kicked in the process. After that first blow, which more often than not is glancing, you are all inside and too close for him to generate much power. Two secure him, two beat and pummel him down. Three sit on him and one ties his ass up.

We did a class on this in my martial arts training. Our grandmaster demonstrated the basic principles. When we mobbed him, he was only able to land a properly executed punch on any one of us at a time. There are simply too many arms and hands to deal with at that point.

Now, if none of your drones can manage to coordinate their attack and merely come at him one at a time, then he might well go through 20 or 30 people before gassing out completely.

Mag springs, shell casings, slide lock, magazine follower, slide guides, main spring… ok guess I should put this back together now.

LMFAO. That dude in the white shirt just didn’t know how to accept defeat - he hit the pavement like seven times.

And it seemed like more than four guys.

Tough question to answer. Let me share some personal experiences.

Back when I was training seriously we had a standard training technique where the senior members had to walk from one end of the training hall to the other (about 20 metres) while 4 other people tried to stop him. Each 2 metres or so another, more senior member, would join the group trying to stop you. No strikes were allowed by anyone involved, only grapples, and a take down was considered to end your trial. I’m not a big man by any stretch (182cm, 75kg), and I would never have described myself as more than competent at my peak.

But I could easily move with up to 4 people hanging off me. These were of course the least skilled fighters in the class, but they were all fit young people. On my best days I could make it 15 metres or so and have 10 people trying to stop me. I never made it the length of the hall but it was only the well trained fighters who could stop me. The senior members could get the whole 20 metres about 1 in 3.

It’s just not that easy to take someone down without using strikes. While we didn’t specialise in grappling we did cover the basics including all the classic JuJitsu/Judo takedowns so all the senior members were proficient. Even using jujitsu/judo style techniques it’s incredibly hard when the person you are attacking knows what to do you prevent it. In fact having more people around often made it easier because they got in each other’s way and could be used to prop you up and prevent throws from working.

While this was a training exercise and not necessarily applicable to reality, I’m going to say that I wouldn’t place bets on untrained people taking the bloke down at all. The idea that they can just wrap up his legs and push him over really doesn’t ring true to me. I know that untrained people don’t think like that, they inevitably grab one leg. And I doubt if any untrained person could push me over in that situation without being disabled by me. And I say that while acknowledging that I am not and never have been a particularly good fighter. Against untrained people even a little training gives a huge advantage.

Next example: I was out on the town in my younger days with a mate who is a TKD instructor. He’s solidly built, but not the supersoldier described in the OP. With my own eyes I saw him take out 7 men single handed. (And before you ask, he requested that I stay out of it). The fight started inside a pub and he used the environment to his advantage: placed himself between two rows of poker machines so only two people at most could get at him at a time and used one disabled person as a shield. He took out all seven in less than a minute I would guess, and I see no reason why he couldn’t have taken out 20 or more.

He was a lot better than me (obviously) but still not Chuck Norris on speed. Once again, this is the difference that training can make. A trained fighter uses environment to advantage. If the brokers start attacking this guy en masse he’s going to use the terrain to advantage so only one or two can get at him.

Like Fotheringay-Phipps says, unless he gets crushed by sheer weight of bodies he’s going to keep disabling people until he runs out of breath. And if he’s as well trained as described he’s going to use the environment to ensure he can’t be crushed by a weight of bodies.

As the OP is posed I’m going to say the bloke will rampage until he runs out of breath. That’s probably going to be 40 or more people and will take a matter of minutes if they line up waiting. If he has to search them out within the building then he’s never going to exhaust himself and will keep going indefinitely.

Alvin York was a real-life badass. From the article, it sounds like he single-handedly forced the surrender of thirty machine-gun nests, while the seven soldiers under his command guarded a large body of prisoners. While thirty nests may be an exaggeration, anything more than one is definitely badass.

I would be quite interested to know the number of his solo kills, but I assume we never will.

Remember folks, if you ever find yourself in this situation, lan cables or even a mouse cable can make a handy garrote.

I was involved in a sort of opposite situation once. After a concert a bunch of young punks (but not street toughs) started a fight with me, a friend, and a couple of crazy guys he knew. I am just over 6’ and about 180 at the time, and was the smallest of our side. My friend was over 6’4" and about 270. The two crazy dudes were in between, about 6’2" roughly 225. The other side was about 10-12 guys. The first one threw a punch at my friend, who leveled him with a counter punch. I’d say at least half of them just disappeared quickly into the crowd at this point. The only thing that saved the remaining dudes was the off duty cop who rescued the remaining guys from us. To be fair, I broke my finger on one guys face, although I didn’t even realize it until later. I think one of the other guys got his shirt untucked.

Great. My mouse and keyboard are both wireless…

I’m no trained fighter, but I am strong. I’d stand off and throw things at him. However, what Declan said is true; the office workers have the advantage of numbers and potential organization. Everything in the building could be a potential weapon, and the building could be a trap. The difficult part would be breaking the office workers out of their fear and surprise and then reconnecting them into a co-ordinated group with a goal.

Hmm…how does “street” conjugate then? Goes down, gone done, going down…went down? “Yokel” would conjugate for that case as “Done been gone down”.

I’m going to assume the company has a softball team and a goodly supply of bats. Metal bats.

2 batmen should do it.

If we assume a tall, mid-twenties, muscular dude with a good reach and mad skills (balance, flexibility, training) and experience in brawling, with no moral qualms against fighting tactics, then he could probably take on 39 five year old kids in a fight.

The most important asset the multiple ordinary guys have is weight. What they need to do is not fight the badass, but to try to get their weight on him…grabbing him and pulling him down. If they try to fight him, they will have it worse.

Enough guys around the badass, someone will be to his rear no matter how skilled and twirlly he is. All rush him and grab on. Once someone has grabbed on, the badass will have to deal with it or suffer loss of fighting ability. While he does this, others pile on.

Some ordinary guys will get hurt, possibly very badly…but the goal is not to fight him, but dogpile him.

It is difficult to fight multiple, determined opponents…much more difficult than TV/movies make it out to be.

I see I repeated another post. :slight_smile: Agree fully.

You and your training buddies should start a(n American) football team and shock the world.

Seriously, I’m having trouble imagining this, unless it was a Kosmo Kramer-type situation. Or unless the participents did that thing that martial artists tend to do, where they subconsciously helped the scenario to play out in the manner it was expected to play out.

I must be misunderstanding something, because this sounds like a bit of American football tackling. And I have never seen any football player ever make it 15 yards with four people hanging off of him (and no help).
It sounds like the people trying to tackle you weren’t allowed to get a running start and hit you with their shoulder, unlike football tacklers, but that doesn’t seem like a big enough difference to account for the fact that people in your class could regularly do what the world’s best professional atheletes never can.

Re the prior two comments, in football the tacklers are generally a lot bigger than the runners, and specially practice tackling techniques.

Not sure that’s enough to account for it, though.

How much preparation would they require?

Joe from Family Guy showed us it’s at least 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TCXX988NjA

:smiley:

Not really, outside of the D-line. And tackling ain’t 'zactly rocket science. Shoulder to the gut or hips, wrap the legs, he’s going down.