How much edible meat on a human body?

Apparently, yes.

There’s a restaurant/bar in Milwaukee that will give you a basket of bacon on Sunday if you spend at least $2.50.

Unless there’s something terribly wrong with their pulmonary systems, they’re not marinating their own meat in the cigarettes.

lol… I don’t think smokers are too well known for the strength of their pulmonary systems…

I think after a few decades of keeping your lungs coated with a nice tobacco resin and a constant basting of second hand smoke… I think it would affect the flavour of the meat…

Cut in thin strips and dry in a low heat smoker for 30 days, gives it a flavor somewhere between mesquite and hickory, according to one recipe…:cool:

I read Piers Paul Reid’s Alive: The Miracle of the Andes, about the Uruguayan rugby team that crashed in the Andes and resorted to cannibalism. The book mentions two things about their psychological recovery that stick out: 1) Many of the men (among those who were practicing Catholics, anyway), asked to be absolved of their sin [of cannibalism]. Their bishop refused, on the grounds that they had not committed a sin; 2) Dragged into therapy by their families, at least some of the men made sport of it, staring at their therapists and saying “I’m hungry.” [Cite: It’s in the book, but I can’t remember what page.]

As far as I can tell from follow-up interviews, all of the survivors have done well in the decades since the crash. A few of them had problems in the years immediately afterwards, but AFAIK all are successful businessmen and family men now.

Similarly, many of the sruvivors of the Donner Party, as much as I can tell, seem to have done pretty well after their ordeal.

It’s a self-contained system, though. It isn’t like all the tar is taking Sunday jaunts around the rest of their body. Think of it this way: a pig’s lower digestive tract is filled with excrement. That doesn’t mean that bacon is going to taste like pig shit.

Now, given the chemicals that actually get absorbed into the body, I don’t doubt that a smoker *would *taste different from a nonsmoker. But to make a guess about how it would taste based on the taste of meat *prepared by *a smoker is, to me, ludicrous.

Which is too bad really. It’d be great if they could make the pig smoke woodchips and have the meat smoked inside AND out. Double smoked meat. Hmmm… :slight_smile:

Or if you could force feed your human captives a wheelbarrow load of mayonaisse before slaughter, you could make human salad samiches right off the bone!:smiley:

I read somewhere that in the digestibility of meat for humans - human meat is at the top of the list. Dog meat is a close second, as well a lamb and horse. Pork is way down the list. Past Buffalo and probably below rattlesnake.

People in extreme circumstances resorting to cannibalism happened on a much bigger scale in Soviet Gulag camps and during China’s “Great Leap Forward”, longish article here.

Handy tip for escaping from a Siberian labour camp:

The best way I know to take the piss out of someone is to tell them that they are ugly, & that God hates them. That usually works.

Band name!

Well… there is really only one way to find out for sure…

Do you smoke?

I quit about two years ago. Go bite somebody else, mister!

Does that include people putting their foot in their mouths? That’d be legions of us, I’m sure. . . :smiley:

Between the Donner Party and Uruguay Flight 571, I’m curious to see if there were ever any studies on those sorts of diets in people. From what I understand, it’s pretty common for cannabalistic animals (i.e. prairie dogs, babboons, IIRC) to carry weird mutations and diseases from eating their friends.

Has anyone ever studied it in humans, or are there just so few cases of human cannabilism that there’s no source data?

Tripler
I mean, it’s not like we can go back in time to the Aztecs. . .

Well, I believe there have been studies about the people of Easter Island, the Rapa Nui. While the island was stable, it was also fragile ecologically. So when they cut down the coconut trees (which current anthropologists believe made up a large portion of their diet) to help transport the giant heads (Moai) Easter Island is so famous for, the end result was starvation. The people started to feed on themselves by clan picking out the weakest and smallest families first. I know this is where I first heard about a disease that you can only get from other humans by eating their brains. When they found remains on the island with this disease, a rather ugly picture started to form. Although some people protest that interpretation of the data. Mostly that the decline was because of the introduction of rats and sheep from European ships that lead to the decline of the ecology. I haven’t read any detailed reports on the cannibalism aspect in detail, but I’m sure there’s a paper out there. Also someone mentioned the Chinese and Mao’s “Great Leap Forward” campaign which caused mass starvation across China. People are still alive from that time and whole villages had to resort to cannibalism to survive. Again, I haven’t seen any papers on that aspect specifically, and in both cases it was an extreme measure that they were forced into and not a regular part of the everyday culture.

As a side note, speaking about the effects of cannibalism, someone posted that article about the German Cannibal. At the end of the article, the GC said he was going to write his memoir. However right before that, he also mentioned how he was getting more in tune with the victim, and the GC’s memory of the victim became stronger the more he ate him. So is the killer talking about writing his, the killer’s memoir, or the victim’s memoir, since the killer now has accumlated this knowledge by devouring him? I don’t know if victim is the right word. Donee? Voluntary dinner? Disturbed man? Well that’s as useful as using “him”. Which Disturbed man, the eater or the eatee?

Proper cooking would eliminate a lot of risk, but merely handling human blood and tissue carries a potential risk of infections like hepatitis B and C and HIV.

One disease that has been well documented among human cannibals is kuru.

Kuru is a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy, similar to CJD (and BSE in cattle, scrapie in sheep, etc). The prions that cause the disease are not destroyed by cooking, and kuru has an incubation period of up to 40 years. There has been some debate about the exact mode of transmission, but it was generally thought that kuru affected more women than men because the men would eat the best cuts of meat and the women and children would eat what was left, including the brain.

Unless you happen to be in Papua New Guinea, kuru isn’t much of a problem. CJD, however, occurs in the worldwide population at a rate of one per million, and would be transmitted in the same way. Long incubation period means the patient is apparently healthy for years before the onset of symptoms. Oh, and it’s always fatal, and there’s no effective treatment. And finally, if your intended victim is British, there’s possibly an even higher risk that they might be incubating variant CJD (or mad cow disease as it’s affectionately known).

Some archaeologists wrote ‘historical fiction’ about the Puebloan indians who, at least according to their version, had some involvement with cannibalism. W. Michael Gear and Kathleen O’Neal Gear wrote a trilogy, starting with one called ‘The Visitant’, about a certain time period set in the southwest. Overall the series is about the natives, the history, archaeology (it skips around in time), and touches only briefly on cannibalism. It is presented as forced by circumstance, but some malevolence is also thrown in. And for the psychologically curious there are actually some passages in the rare first-person cannibal voice!

I can’t remember if the story includes an answer to the op though.

From a Jewish point-of-view site on interpretation of the Bible:

The prohibition of cannibalism is implied by Deut.14:4-5. We can conclude from Gen.9:3 (see Gen.7:21) that cannibalism is also forbidden to Noahides. The Talmud (Chulin 92b) says that non-Jews accepted on themselves not to sell human flesh in meat markets.*

[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=1]Gen. 9:3-4:[/SIZE][/FONT]
ג כָּל-רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא-חַי, לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאָכְלָה: כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב, נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת-כֹּל. [SIZE=1]3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be for food for you; as the green herb have I given you all. ד****4 Only flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.[FONT=Courier New][SIZE=2]* [/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT] אַךְ-בָּשָׂר, בְּנַפְשׁוֹ דָמוֹ לֹא תֹאכֵלוּ

Deut. 14-4-5:
ד זֹאת הַבְּהֵמָה, אֲשֶׁר תֹּאכֵלוּ: שׁוֹר, שֵׂה כְשָׂבִים וְשֵׂה עִזִּים. 4 These are the beasts which ye may eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat, ה אַיָּל וּצְבִי, וְיַחְמוּר; וְאַקּוֹ וְדִישֹׁן, וּתְאוֹ וָזָמֶר. 5 the hart, and the gazelle, and the roebuck, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the antelope, and the mountain-sheep.

I have no idea what a pygarg is. I leave it to the reader.

*Righteous gentiles. The Noachide rules are basically prohibitions of idolatry. If Gentiles stick to them, they are considered Righteous, and have a share in the world-to-come. Piece-o-cake!

*Which is a damn shame, because I love black sausage (aka boudin noir, aka blood pudding, made of pig blood:eek:–a twofer!) and I can’t even offer a taste to a good friend of mine.

*I can’t find the Talmud cite now. I sincerely doubt I’ll do it later.

[SIZE=2]In cases of life-or-death, all Kosher regulations go right out the window, according to Talmud. I have read anecdotes regarding this situation in the concentration camps (although it is not made clear if the cannibal incidents mentioned were done by religious or non-religous Jews). But that general rule always applies in any extreme situation–as with anything but a few casesregarding life and death–as it did with that Bishop mentioned above, who said that no sin was committed.

I might add that the whole “cannibalism” debate in Christian theology has been alive and kicking (as it were) for 2000 years.

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Mmmmm…pygarg…

Staver808, toodlepip, interesting! I had no idea there were “later era” societies that did this with some frequency. Nor did I know there were studies on it as in depth as they seem to be. Much obliged!

Tripler
Learn somethin’ new every day. . . even about cannibals.