Well, this has been fun. Thanks for the glurge, guys.
Fenris, I’m going to have to find more of your stuff, that was too good.
Thanks for the clarification: this would have kept me up all night. 
And you can’t let this sort of thing go. If he’s rational, he deserves the respect of having his views treated rationally.
Glurge must be fought. I got into a huge fight with my best friend of almost 25 years a while back. We’re both pro-2nd Ammendment, but he tried to pass on some gun-glurge (“the very first thing the Nazis did was take all the guns”). I agree with his motives, but facts is facts, glurge is glurge and “Fighting ignorance” ain’t just a bumper-sticker.
Abortion-Rights is an issue over which reasonable people can disagree. Fear-mongering glurge is not.
You did the right thing.
Fenris
RE the question, I have two words…
Ask Fatherjohn. 
Regarding that site(http://www.w-cpc.org/fetal1.html). It is another case of fanatical BS disguised as facts. If you go to the main page it is supposedly the Westside “Pregnancy Resource Center” with sections on abortion, adoption, etc. Unfortunately this ‘resource center’ isn’t very resourceful - it is actually very deceitful and an obvious attempt to manipulate. The “Roe v Wade: 25 years of life denied” graphic kinda gives it away too. I guess this didn’t need pointed out on this board though as it looks like most of the posters are intelligent enough to see through such BS regardless of whatever personal agendas there may be. I don’t think playing off of anyones emotions is going to get very far here.
" . . . it looks like most of the posters are intelligent enough to see through such BS regardless of whatever personal agendas there may be. I don’t think playing off of anyones emotions is going to get very far here."
—Why THANK you, Elizabeth! We are a bright little group, ain’t we?
Re the question posed in the title:
I thought it certain that magdalene had somehow gotten her hands on my marketing plan for 2001. Boy, the things I do to get a budget.
And as for the content of the OP…
It’s good to hear that gender roles regarding career choice is defined so early.
You could give my family a try. They are also anti-abortion, but our family adheres strictly to the rule that sex, religion, politcs, drugs, etc., are NEVER discussed. Our relationships are therefore good (I think - we haven’t talked about them in years).
And who knows? Maybe I’ll like incest 
Sua
“Emotions are for ethnic people.” -Tom Servo
My mom wrote me this morning and said “Good answers to Grampa. His heart is in the right place, but he does get carried away.” So maybe I’ll keep my family. They love me.
I didn’t mean to post and run like that, and have since regretted the idea of this kind of obvious, and moot, pointing out of fetal development stuff.
Sorry about that!
Love, shmove. Come to my family, anyway. We’re rich. My dad drives a Lincoln, and my little brother owns a dot.com. We’re loaded, I tells ya.
Sua
Johnathan Chance beat me to the joke…
When I saw the thread title, I thought, “Wait, I haven’t even sent magdalene my husband’s resume yet! How’d she get her hands on it?”
Sua perhaps this is the correct time to point out the fact that I’m available for adoption.
How’ you doin?
I got this “gem” from a friend today.
"I care about you and so I send this to you. Heed the warning.
Sincerely,
Someone who cares
A stock clerk was sent to clean up a store room in Maui, Hawaii. When he got back, he was complaining that the store room was really filthy and that he had noticed dried mouse or rat droppings in some areas. A couple of days later, he started to feel like he was coming down with a stomach flu, complained of sore joints and headaches, and began to vomit. He went to bed and never really got up again. Within two days he was severely ill and weak. His blood sugar count was down to 66, and his face and eyeballs were yellow. He was rushed to the emergency at Pali-Momi, where he was diagnosed to be suffering from massive organ failure. He died shortly before midnight.
No one would have made the connection between his job and his death, had it not been for a doctor who specifically asked if he had been in a warehouse or exposed to dried rat or mouse droppings at any time. They said there is a virus (much like the Hanta virus) that lives in dried rat and mouse droppings. Once dried, these droppings are like dust and can easily breathed in or ingested if a person does not wear protective gear or fails to wash face and hands thoroughly. An autopsy was performed on the clerk to verify the doctor’s suspicions. This is why it is extremely important to ALWAYS carefully rinse off the tops of canned sodas or foods, and to wipe off pasta packaging, cereal boxes, and so on. Almost everything you buy
in a supermarket was stored in a warehouse at one time or another, and stores themselves often have rodents. Most of us remember to wash vegetables and fruits but never think of boxes and cans. The ugly truth is, even the most modern, super store has rats and mice. And their warehouse
most assuredly does!
Whenever you buy any canned soft drink, please make sure that you wash the top with running water and soap or, if that is not available, drink with a straw. The investigation of soda cans by the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta discovered that the tops of soda cans can be encrusted with dried rat’s urine, which is so toxic it can be lethal. Canned drinks and other foodstuffs are stored in warehouses and containers that are usually infested with rodents, and then they get transported to retail outlets without being properly cleaned. Please forward this message to the people you care about. (I JUST DID!)"
Here’s the email I wrote (using the previous suggestion in another thread to hit “reply all”):
"Ladies and gentlemen:
Sentiment is appreciated by all, I’m sure. However:
Brief excerpt:
"Despite the vividness of the story, nothing about such a death turns up in the news. There is no record of anyone – store clerk or otherwise – dying at the St. Francis Hospital after coming in contact with rodent droppings.
Adding further to this story’s implausibility are the questions raised by the few checkable details offered in the text. The St. Francis Hospital is in Honolulu as is the Pali Momi Medical Center. Honolulu is on the island of Oahu. We’re told the doomed store clerk was working in Maui. Someone who’d become ill on Maui would have gone to a medical facility on that island, not travelled by air or sea 75 miles to visit an emergency room on another island.
Most scares contain a vague whiff of plausibility, and this is true with both stories listed above. Although there is nothing inherently toxic about urine or feces from a healthy rat (you could probably ingest it all day, were you so inclined), excretions from a sick rat are another kettle of fish, and perhaps that is what this bit of scarelore is addressing. There have been several rat urine stories in the news of late."
“Nonetheless, it’s still always a good idea to wipe off cans from exposed six-packs or those dispensed from drink machines, if for no other reason than to avoid picking up something passed on by the human handlers of the product.”
Ergo, the story’s probably made up, and the details mislead, but the moral of the story is still true: wash stuff before you eat it.
Our mothers would be so proud:-)
Someone who also cares"
That’s just wrong.
Now I’m afraid to go outside today because it’s sort of thundering and I know God heard me laugh at that one. <the image of it just won’t go away>
Give Jean Claude a cheesy mustache, add a bit where Dr. Mengele falls on his knees and begs Jesus for forgiveness, and you’ve got a whizbang Jack Chick tract there, Scylla.
Hmmmmm…what is it you do for a living again?
Maybe not by you, but I don’t think your claim to speak on behalf of all rational, knowledgable human beings holds up on this occasion. It is standard practice to count the beginning of a pregnancy as the date of the last menstrual period. Since conception usually happens round about the middle of the menstrual cyle, that means that gestation actually begins in week two or three.
This is simply a convention which adds no weight to either side in the abortion debate. If you don’t believe me, check out any book or website on the subject. My source is Adriana Hunter, The Queen Charlotte’s Guide to Pregnancy and Birth (London, 1998). (Queen Charlotte’s is a maternity hospital in London.)
I guess I was wrong.
I’m not following you. Are you saying that gestation doesn’t immediately follow conception; that after the egg becomes fertilized, it “waits” somehow, to gestate, until the menstrual cycle would have begun again?
Hmmm…maybe the problem is “round about the middle of the menstrual cycle.” By which I assume he means 14 days after the end of menstruation, when ovulation usually occures. At which point conception takes place and gestation starts.
Not round about the middle of menstruation itself, when conception is essentially impossible.
Thanks, betenoir, but I’m confused about not TomH’s assertion itself. What eludes me is how it relates to the “fact” that jab1 quoted.
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So conception is the moment when the sperm meets the egg, but the resulting zygote’s age is counted from the end of the previous menstrual cycle? It existed before it existed?
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That would mean that the gestation would begin in week two or three of the current cycle. That’s not the same as an apparent time warp in which the gestation has been ongoing for two weeks at the same time that it begins.