How much would Carrie Bradshaw's apartment rent for in NYC?

An appartment is usually a rental property in a multi-resident building. Most residential buildings in Manhattan are multi-story walk-ups and elevator buildings or large luxury towers.

Sometimes you can purchase your appartment, which would technically make it a condo.

People often go through a real estate agent when renting appartments. They typically show you around a bunch of places in your price range and desired neighborhoods. Typical fee for a Manhattan real estate agent would be 15% of the first years rent (or 1.8 months). You also typically have to provide first and last months rent, plus a one month deposit to the owner of the appartment (which is usually a management company that runs the building).

Sub-letting (legal or illegal) is also common. People don’t want to let go of their places, especially if it’s rent controlled. My friend illegally subletted his Styverson Town (what used to be rent controlled affordable housing above 14th St, not to be confused with Bedford Sty in Brooklyn) for years. In fact, he went to business school out of state, got married, moved to Florida until finally the landlord was like “you haven’t lived here in 5 years so we’re evicting you!”
Where do you live that you don’t use a realitor to find an appartment?

Sorry. You are correct. It was rent stabalized.

Please pardon the hijack, but since the OP seems to be answered and since this is related, I’ve wondered something similar about the places on UGLY BETTY.

For those who haven’t seen the show (which is filmed entirely in LA with all NYC scenes greenscreened in, incidentally), the Suarez family (Betty, her illegal immigrant father, her often unemployed sister, and teenaged nephew) lived in a two story duplex or rowhouse in Queens. Hard to tell with TV houses (which can expand and contract as needed) but it seems to be 3 BR, kitchen, LR, DR, vestibule and front stoop and postage stamp yards, probably about 1800-2000 sq ft or thereabouts. It’s nothing like an East Side “deluxe apartment in the sky” but it’s way better than “makin’ a wave when you can’t” slums; I’d call it “modest” but livable.
Any notions of how much that place would cost? (If it makes a difference, there’s an el-train [if they call them that in NYC?] that runs along a track down the street.)
Meanwhile, her boyfriend on the show, Henry, lives in either a large efficiency or small studio (not sure what the cut off is)- a single room with a large bay window, enough space for a bed/living area/kitchenette, about the size of a large hotel room (room, not suite). Not knowing NYC well I’ve no idea where he’s supposed to live other than there are museums nearby and it’s in Manhattan. I was curious who would pay more for their place- him or Betty.

(Her boss, a playboy who’s blown through his trust fund, lives in a rambling loft, but I figure that would be an easy $20k/month.)

That’s still legal?! :eek: Do you mean co-ops have an actual written policy that says “No blacks/Jews/Gentiles/etc)” or do they just not “happen” to approve certain people?

This is something I know all too much about, both as a real estate lawyer and vice president of my co-op.

Let’s start with rent regulation. The initial rent regulation in New York City started in the World War II era to prevent price gouging in tight housing market. It has persisted since then because of the continuing tight housing conditions , particularly in Manhattan, where rent regulation has inhibited the construction of rental housing stock because it limited the economic return available. In the other boroughs, however, the regulated rents have historically been comparable to the unregulated rents, so it has been a much smaller factor there.

There are actually two flavors of rent regulation in New York, rent control and rent stabilization. Rent control is the better deal, but it is rare as the tenant had to be living in the apartment since 1978. Rent stabilization occurs in buildings that were built before certain dates and/or get certain tax benefits, and once a rent controlled tenant moves out, the apartment becomes rent stabilized. Both systems, however, operate pretty similarly, and each may only have rent increases in percentages specified annually by a government board, though landlords may get additional increases for capital improvements to the individual apartments or the building.

Under either system, the apartment must be the primary residence of the tenant, and a tenant may be evicted for non-primary residence. Under limited circumstances, if a specified family member is living in the apartment with the registered tenant for more than two years, the family member may succeed to the rent regulated tenancy. If an individual owns the building and needs a stabilized apartment for his or her personal use, if he or she jumps through the proper hoops, he or she may evict the stabilized tenant, though if the tenant is disabled or a senior citizen, the landlord must provide equivalent housing.

These days, the two most popular ways to remove an apartment from rent stabilization are vacancy decontrol and high-income decontrol. When a stabilized apartment becomes vacant, the landlord may take a large (approx 20%) increase rent, and if this increase (plus any capital improvement increases) puts the regulated rent over $2,000 per month, the apartment is automatically decontrolled. Also, if the apartment’s stabilized rent is over $2,000 per month, and the combined household income of the occupants exceeds $150,000 per year, the rent may become unregulated. Perversely, if the apartment rents for less than $2,000 per month, the tenants’ income may be higher than this and the apartment stays regulated. Finally, if a regulated building is converted to co-op or condo, the regulated tenants who stay in the building remain regulated after conversion, but once they vacate, their apartments become decontrolled.

This brings us to co-ops and condos. As a practical matter, there is little difference between the two forms, though there are significant legal differences. In a condo, the owner will own (in the same legal way the owner of a single family home owns his or her home) your apartment, as defined in the declaration of condominium as a cube of space in the sky. The owner will also own a specified percentage share of the “common elements” defined in the declaration to include the hallways, elevators, roof, basement, boiler and other systems, and other parts of the building which are not individual apartments. Each condominium unit is a separate tax lot, so the owner must pay real estate taxes directly to the city. Each owner is also responsible for paying for his or her proportionate share of the “common charges” for the upkeep of the common elements, as assessed by the condominium’s board of managers. The owner may obtain a mortgage on the unit which is legally the same as the mortgage taken out on a single family home. The owner may also freely sell or transfer his or her ownership to any person, corporation or other legal entity, though the condo typically retains a right of first refusal (rarely exercised), in which the condo has the right to purchase the unit on the same terms that the owner is offering it for sale to a third party.

In a co-op, a corporation owns the building, and each owner (technically a “tenant-shareholder”) owns shares in the building to which are attached a “proprietary lease”, which allows the owner to lease a particular apartment for the duration of the co-op, with the number of shares connected with a particular apartment proportional to to the value of the apartment (at least at the time the co-op was set up). The owner pays “maintenance” (technically rent under the proprietary lease) in an amount proportionate to the number of shares owned, which covers building operations, real estate taxes (which are assessed against the building as a whole rather than against individual units), and, in most co-ops, payments on a mortgage which encumbers the building as a whole. Individual owners may also have “mortgages” on their apartments, though these are technically not mortgages but loans secured by the shares and proprietary lease. Most co-ops provide that the approval of the co-op’s board of directors is required to sell or sublease an apartment, most co-op boards require detailed financial disclosure and will reject candidates who do not meet their financial standards. In addition, boards may reject candidates for any other reason so long as it isn’t a legally prohibited reason like race, religion, nationality, sexual orientation, etc. A limited number of buildings like to restrict themselves to people of a certain social class, though they are often believed to illegally discriminate. More common types of non-financial reasons to reject potential purchasers include boards who will not sell to students or to people who do not intend to live in the apartment full time. In addition, most co-ops prohibit sales to corporations or other businesses.

Typically, a condo will sell for about 25% more than a comparable co-op because the condo will usually have lower monthly charges because there is typically no mortgage on the building as a whole included in the monthly payments. In addition, the absence of restrictions on sales adds value, as they can be purchased by corporations, trusts and people who do not want (or might not survive) the financial scrutiny of a co-op (including foreigners without US assets, which many co-ops will not accept). However, as a general matter, there isn’t much difference for individuals.

I’d never heard of anyone using a realtor to find an apartment until my friend moved to NYC and was telling me about the travails of finding an apartment there. Why would you pay someone to help you find an apartment rather than searching the classified ads yourself?

Because in Manhattan at least, most of the time brokers get the best apartments with lower rents than you would find in the classifieds. Sure you may luck out and find a great deal on Craigslist but since good apartments in this city go so quickly it’s usually a better idea to go with a broker.

Seattle.
I’ve also never heard of anyone using one here.
I’ve known several people who looked for and found apartments in San Francisco, too. None of them used realtors or expected to do so.

Only friends in NY used realtors, but I was never sure if it was just them or a common thing there. You really pay someone two months rent for an apartment? Wow.

In New York the custom is that rental brokers are paid by the tenant, typically 15% of the first year’s rent. As a result, many landlords, will just list apartments with brokers, rather than spend effort listing them in the classifieds, etc., because it is no cost to them and much easier to let the brokers do the work. It’s not to say that you can’t find a “no fee” apartment, but for a lot of them the landlord will exclusively work with a broker.

Chicago. If I can find an apartment in pretty much any neighborhood I want in an afternoon or two, why would I give someone else more money to do it for me?

She was a columnist at Vogue by this time and her fiance was a big time artsy furniture designer superstar. HE actually bought the apartment (and the one next to it, actually), but when she broke it off with him he told her to buy it or gtfo.

She had no money, so she went to Big to borrow 40k for a down payment. She ended up feeling so bad that she tore up his check. In the end, she guilted Charlotte into giving her the wedding ring from Charlotte’s busted up marriage to Mr. McDougal. I still think it was really shitty for Carrie to do that, actually.

And then, once Carrie got the ring and started buying the apartment, she got all involved with “The Russian” who swiftly moved her to Paris for what was supposed to be permanently. During that time, he paid her mortgage for her.

Why yes, I love this show. And yes, I can’t wait for the movie. Shut up.
Oh and: the only place I’ve ever heard of anyone using a Realtor to get an apartment was when people would talk about NYC. I walked into the offices of the apartments I was interested in and did it myself.

All that might be true, but she still got the mortgage on her own. I didn’t think she had been a columnist at Vogue all that long by that time, had she? And even at her high per-word-payment for her one column per month, it’s not enough to pay a mortgage on $600,000, plus pay for all her shoes, taxis, eating out all the time, shares in the Hamptons, etc., and repay Charlotte. Plus she had no savings and I think she often talked about her credit cards being heavily “in use.” She never would have gotten a mortgage. Maybe after a couple of years at Vogue.

Then again, it’s a TV show and a financially irresponsible no-credit-history no-savings person getting a mortgage was the least of its unrealistic fantasies presented as “average city-girl life in Manhattan.”

New Jersey rental agent checking in. We show the apartment, run credit reports, pre-screen applicants, have them fill out applications, check their references, draw up the lease, handle getting the Certificate of Rental Occupancy from the City, collect and distribute the monies, etc. etc. All the landlord has to do is interview the applicant and sign the paperwork.

Apartments are scarce and expensive here. I lucked up having to move twice, and finding a cheap apartment both times. I know some people in the area would be willing to kill me to get my apartment at my curent rent.

For what it’s worth, on Craigslist I just found an alcove studio (550 sq ft) for rent at 71st and Broadway for $2250 a month. A lot of money, but not five grand – and if you got a rent-stabilized apartment in the Upper West Side in the late 80s it would a lot less than that. One-bedrooms up near Columbia U can still be rented for less than $2000 now; the neighborhood was a lot cheaper 15 years ago. I have no idea where Carrie Bradshaw was supposed to live, but if she was living in a thousand-square-foot studio on the park it could be five grand in 2007, I suppose.

3-bedroom duplexes in Queens look like they rent for $1800-$2500. On Craigslist they seem to be mostly in Corona, Flushing, and Maspeth. I don’t know Queens well enough to guess how gritty an address is, though. (I’m still not sure about the dashes.) Do they ever mention Betty’s neighborhood by name, of what train she takes? I think if the lease goes back far enough it’s reasonable that a working-class family with one or two incomes could have that house, though.

Carries financial situation

I don’t know the specifics (since I never looked for a place in Queens), but the outer Bouroughs are significantly cheaper than Manhattan.

You can find a number of appartments on Craig’s List as well, however a lot of them are sublets or roommate requests. I’ve never been too keen on living with random people you find on the Internet. From personal observation, I’ve seen a lot of what you might consider, if not horror stories, at least awkward living situations.
Quite frankly, I’m surprised you wouldn’t use a realtor to help find an appartment in Chicago. I’ve rented in Boston and it seems like a mix of realtor listings and direct listings by the owners.

You can live quite affordably in Manhattan depending on where on the island you choose to live. I live on the west side in a 2 bedroom apartment that is just over 1000 sq ft for $1500 per month. My share of rent is $750 per month and I pay half the utilities. If my roommate moved out I could still cover the bills on my own without a problem. The only problem is that since my building is so old I don’t have a dishwasher or garbage disposal, but that is a small price to pay to live in NYC. I still live in Manhattan, I just don’t live near Central Park.

You certainly can, but you will end up paying about 10% more for a comparable place. I’ve never had a problem either using the Reader or just walking around the target neighborhood and writing down phone numbers from “Help Wanted” signs.

I don’t know anyone here who found their rental apartment through a realtor. Most of them were through classified ads or by contacting the management company.

Ah, for the good old days when the Bunkers could afford a two story house in Queens on Archie’s 5 buck an hour salary.

If she is in Queens and under a train trestle, and not in a pretty obviously sketchy neighborhood, it would almost have to be Richmond Hill, under the J train. Its a decent neighborhood with a lot of immigrants.