How’s Carney doing, Canada?

That’s the problem. There are plenty of suitable sites with ample water and energy. Big companies want prestigious places, not ones which involve intelligent compromises or building more than minimal infrastructure.

I fully agree with your second paragraph. One thing to keep in mind is that “data center” is not necessarily synonymous with “AI data center” as many of them are general purpose and serve important outsourced business needs that have nothing to do with AI.

That aside, I think Carney rightfully sees AI as an important resource in the future, and this is part of his overall strategy to wean Canada away from our historical dependence on the US. While Trump was obviously the precipitating factor for this, and it’s unlikely that there will be another US president as stupid, aggressive, and viciously malevolent as he is, the same sort of right-wing populism will continue to thrive in the US long after he’s gone.

If Canada is planning on renationalizing some components of Big Tech, which seems unlikely, perhaps they are waiting for open bridges and trade deals signed (again) by Individual One.

Yes, if only we had ways to transport fluids efficiently. But there would be years of environmental studies and native complaints on the dangerous effects of hydrogen dioxide leaks such that it would never be built.

Plus, as noted above, Liberals would not be content with current regulations and will change them mid-stream. This will likely include data access requirements as they are currently trying in other areas making it non-competitive with other DC in more rational jurisdictions.

Dihydrogen Oxide please and thank you.

Sorry, trying to be clever and lost accuracy (or both)!

I thought it was dihydrogen monoxide

Seems like it would be much easier to run wires to lakes than to run pipes from a lake.

If you had land and the other conditions you may care about available near the specific lake you are permitted to take water from, then sure that would be ideal.

And yet, they are not planning on putting many of these data centers anywhere near where there is sufficient water resources, pipes or no pipes.

Carney says Trudeau-era climate plan was ‘too expensive’ and ‘divisive’

“In my judgment, that plan was not sustainable over the long term,” Carney said in his second “Forward Guidance” video. “It would have been too expensive for Canadians. Canadians who are already struggling with affordability.”

Wow, if only someone could have anticipated that such plans would affect the economy negatively and raise the cost for Canadians?
But no worries. Carney is long on saying he’ll do things and short on action. I anticipate that anything said here will immediately expire after October. But hopefully I’m wrong on that note.

such as ?

Unsupported vilifying …not surprising given the source. :hot_beverage:

No deal with the US even though promised. Mexico is in round 3, Canada hasn’t even started yet.
Said to judge him on the price of groceries and has the highest food inflation in the G7. Are you judging him? Nope. You’re asking me to prove the obvious instead. Not surprising given the source. Also, not surprising that you’re focused on what I said and not on what Carney said.

What’s the mechanism for that? The impression I get about this negotiation is that it’s not happening at all, much like the Iran peace negotiation.

Back in May, the U.S. ambassador to Canada was saying that Canada was not smart because a date hadn’t been set for its negotiation. But it’s Greer and Lutnick who set the dates.

From what I can tell, Canada has been knocking on the door for months; a Canadian team has been in Washington for weeks (months?), or able to fly in at the drop of a hat, but they’re only able to meet with individual congresspeople. Nobody will admit them in the room (assuming there is one) with the Commerce committee or the Commerce department of the executive branch; and obviously they can’t complain to the press about it.

The reason for not being admitted in the room is not disclosed either, obviously, but the ambassador and Lutnick hinted at some irritants in Canada’s policies. In other words, they want Canada to negotiate with itself, maybe abolish things like the supply management system for agriculture, maybe give up on the new bridge in Windsor-Detroit, maybe scrap some of its free trade agreements with other countries and the E.U., and then maybe they’ll talk. Or, as they say now in Washington, “make a deal”.

Which is similar to the approach the Trump admin took in 2018-2020: negotiate with Mexico only, and maybe at the end offer Canada to sign on the dotted line. But I think it’s going to be much worse than that, this time around. There may only be 2 dotted lines, not 3.

My mistake. That’s what happens when you just read headlines. Apparently two rounds have occurred with the next one on July 20th.

Joint Statement from Ambassador Jamieson Greer and Mexican Secretary of Economy Marcelo Ebrard

Confirmation that the first meeting was held. Mexico asking Canada to join the talks.
Mexico Urges Canada to Join USMCA Talks
Mexico wanted Canada there, why weren’t we? Seems like to make a deal you have to talk.

I’m intrigued that the office of the U.S. Trade Representative is naming the U.S. Trade Representative himself, Greer, as “Ambassador” in the title of a press release. He’s part of the diplomatic corps? Ambassador to what country? Not to Mexico, not to Canada.

Mexico wanted Canada there, why weren’t we? Seems like to make a deal you have to talk.

Everybody agrees on that. Mexico would like to not be alone with the U.S. at the “table”, and Canada would like to be present at the “table”. The owners of the “table” are just not returning Canada’s calls, and I don’t think it’s because their answering machine is defective.

And yes, I’m aware that Carney himself said “If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu”.

But I don’t think the current U.S. administration would be interested in negotiating with Canada (in the sense of a give-and-take in good faith), no matter who was in charge in Ottawa. Except maybe for Maxime Bernier.

The only ways to resolve this are to grovel and/or to give bribes to Trump personally. I think everybody is aware of that, and nobody in Ottawa (or Mexico City, or Brussels, or London) can be seen to acknowledge it publicly.

SNC Lavalin
SDTC Green slush fund scandal
Adscam

I guess liberals expect the money to be funneled to them or their supporters. Heaven forbid they bribed someone on behalf of Canadians. No I’m not suggesting they do that, but it’s pretty obvious they have no scruples when it benefits them or their cronies.

Not sure how you think Carney’s capitulation to the resource extraction industries comprises a counterpoint to my argument that, based on their historical actions, resource extraction industries need to be compelled by regulations to clean up after themselves.

Honestly it’s extremely depressing at this point in history, where the looming costs of adapting to a dramatic shift in climate so clearly outweigh the costs of altering our behaviour in order to minimize that shift in the first place, that political leaders continue to prioritize the short term profits of industry over the long term health of the environment in which we live.

Because the USA don’t want trilateral talks. Everyone knows that, come on.

The USA knows full well that the political situations in Canada and Mexico aren’t the same, so they want to divide them. Canada is clearly, unambiguously happy to talk trade and does on a constant basis; the USA is the intransigent party. You know this.

We already HAVE a free trade agreement with the USA, a perfectly fair and functional one, and the USA ignores that. They break treaties without any regard to even bothering to justify it (see the Gordie Howe Bridge.)

I don’t know exactly what you want, to be honest. What exactly is Canada supposed to do?