Might is, quite frankly, a pretty weak word here, IMO. They also might be appalled at the idea of going along if there is as you say “any” question. So I would ask you, what evidence based on similar past actions leads you to believe this? Now to be sure, I believe certain things because I just can’t help it, even if there is no evidence. But this isn’t one of those cases.
Yes, might, because it hasn’t happened yet. (I also hope it won’t.) But my point is, if they do, it won’t require any secret conspiring. Trump and Fox will broadcast the script, and all they’ll have to is follow it. And 60 million American voters will sing their praises.
One, it’s not a conspiracy, as we have said repeatedly. It is going on in public.
Two, you really need the name of the head of the DOJ?
If you want to know the states that are in play, that’s reasonable, and I would submit Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Vermont, New Hampshire, Missouri, Massachusetts, and maybe even Indiana and Ohio as states where the executive of those states may play an effective role in suppressing or even reversing the will of the voters of those states, and the legislature may send a delegation that was not chosen by the people, especially if they bend to the will of the armed mob in the gallery.
Will all of them? Probably not. Some of them probably will, though, and that may be enough to turn things over. Especially Florida and Ohio.
So you meant “might”, in the sense that since we can’t know the future, (who knows?) rather than it is kinda possible at least, that the Republicans would fall in line?
No, that’s why I italicized the ones whose names I do need. Sorry for the confusion. As for executives, again, you aren’t giving names.
Yes. My point wasn’t to say “this will happen.” Simply that it can – and if it does, it won’t require a conspiracy.
Okay, got it. And I guess we all know how I feel.
Different in the sense that these are the first unfair elections in the US since the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed.
But again, they can’t be unfair until they happen!
I’ll concede that on a technicality. None the less, unless Trump and Pence are both somehow impeached and convicted simultaneously before the election so that a president Pelosi has time to undo the damage that has already been done, it’s a virtual certainty that these elections will go down as having been unfair.
Okay, Flik. I wouldn’t predict that as the outcome, but in the words of our favorite President, “we’ll see what happens”.
I listed off the states that I am concerned about.
You can look up the names of the Governors and secretaries of state for those states if you feel the need.
If we are talking about bringing criminal charges, then yeah, we should go to the trouble of typing out all their names.
But pointing out places where our suffrage may be problematic, not so much.
Not knowing what executives you were talking about here, that’s why I brought it up again. Anyway, I’m all for pointing out places where suffrage may be problematic, but only when we discover that is the case. I suppose you’ve seen such problems, but I as yet have not. I’ve seen Trump trying to disrupt things, but even you are just using the word “probably” about the others. In any case, we certainly agree that every effort needs to be made to make sure these elections are fair.
Don’t forget that Trump himself has been saying now for more than five months that it WILL happen. That there WILL be cheaters in this election. That it WILL be rigged. That’s straight from the horse’s mouth.
Of course we don’t know for sure, with any degree of specificity, what will happen in the future. I don’t see anyone here making bold predictions.
I can’t speak for anyone else, but I think what we’re saying (each in his/her own words) is that there is clearly anti-democratic behaviors being exhibited by the Executive Branch, which has vast powers to execute all kinds of anti-democratic attacks on their political opposition. Moreover, this anti-democratic behavior is being supported by one of two major political parties in what is now a highly polarized political system.
I’m not going to catalogue all of the rhetoric and maneuvers that are the source of our suspicions that the administration and his allies are going to try to upend a democratic outcome in this election - it’s already well-documented at this point. They may not succeed, and if the election results are really and truly decisive, they may not even try that hard. But there’s no question that the events of the last three years, and the last 6-12 months in particular, are a dire warning that American democracy is in very serious trouble, and I am not convinced that electing Joe Biden as president will be enough to save it either. I do hope I am wildly wrong, of course.
Why would he encourage voters in North Carolina to vote twice? Yes, he could be his usual nutty self, but he also sets up a scenario in which he can claim that “some people voted twice.” There are “irregularities that need to be investigated.” And so the lawsuits begin, and the pressure mounts against NC officials to certify election results. This could also happen in Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin, and other states.
I do agree that if Trump is getting his ass handed to him, it’s going to be hard to pull it off. The scenario in which suing his way to victory might work would be one in which the race comes down to 2 or 3 (perhaps 4) key swing states that are relatively close. If he’s losing in Arizona, Texas, and Georgia, in addition to losing the blue wall that he won in 2016, I think that’s going to be hard to pull off, and I’m not sure how many Republicans would really keep up the act at that point.
…When I asked Leo Walker, a 68-year-old retiree at the rally [in Pennsylvania], whether the president’s backers would publicly protest a Biden victory, he said, “They’ll do more than that. They will take the country back.” By force? “They will take the country back. There’s no doubt in my mind.” Trump, Walker said, “can do no wrong.”
The weeks after the election could be “a very dangerous period” for the country, says Miles Taylor, a former senior official in the Homeland Security Department, whose agents were deployed to quell recent police-violence protests in Portland, Oregon, against the wishes of the state’s leadership. Taylor left the agency last year and has since emerged as an outspoken critic of the president. “I talk to law-enforcement officials all the time who I used to serve with, and they’re nervous about November and December,” he continued. “We’re seeing an historic spike in gun sales. There’s some of the worst polarization in United States history. This is beyond a powder keg. This is the Titanic with powder kegs filled all the way to the hull.”
…In interviews at the rally here yesterday afternoon, Trump supporters told me a Biden victory is so implausible that it could come about only through corrupt means. Latrobe sits in a county where Trump defeated Hillary Clinton four years ago by a 2–1 margin, and no one I spoke with thought Trump was in any real danger of losing this race either.
Walker spoke of a potential “revolution” were that to happen. “He ain’t got a prayer,” Walker said of Biden. “He can only win with fraud.
“That’s the only prayer, and that will cause the third and final revolution in this country,” he added, citing the Revolutionary War and the Civil War.
Before I entered the airplane hangar where the rally was held, I spoke with John and Michele Urban, a couple from Latrobe, as they waited in line to get inside. “Either way, there’s going to be turmoil,” Michele Urban said. “A revolution. I’d never thought I’d live to see it. I’m 66 years old.” Her husband, 68, told me: “Democrats have sealed their own fate. They’ve proven they’re not true Americans. They’re not for this country, and they’re not for our freedom. We’re just not going to take it any more. Trump is a godsend.”
I agree that Trump cannot have a successful administration without support. But, if he loses it’s all over for him and maybe the Republican party. His goal appears to be making America ungovernable. To do that he has to stay engaged.
So, if the worst case is an exotic questionable win - it’s still a win, a chaotic win. If then a Dem House impeaches him, he would make it a painful chaotic process. A Dem Senate removal would be the same and the result would be chaotic government and electorate.
And, in the middle, we have Pence.
Oh yeah, and what if Pence retains him as an advisor and allows him to reside in the White House?
This is kind of a nothingberder of a piece. The two most interesting things are;
- That David Brooks wrote it.
- The last line: “It’s time to start thinking about what you would do.”