Get it through your head - even if you accomplish what you set out to accomplish and build a wall using illegal immigrant labour, you still will not accomplish the second part of your objective. Mexico will not pay for the fucking wall.
Why are you discounting invasion? If I’m understanding you properly you believe that bombing Mexico as a threat will get them to pay for the wall but what about invasion and nation building? If the purpose of the wall is to keep out the bad hombres then we could simply invade Mexico and turn them into a vassal state. While we’re in charge we could eliminate the cartels at least down to the level they are currently in the US and force their operations out of Mexico
Of course, our generosity would cost Mexico and it would be equivalent to of what we spend and then we could build a smaller and cheaper wall to keep out the farther south bad hombres. We’re probably talking about less than 200,000 casualties between both sides (basically Iraq levels). While unprovoked wars are certainly bad I think it would be better than enslaving 11 million people per year and as long as we used the fig leaf of nation building and improving life for all Mexicans the international sanctions would be lower then slavery.
very brilliant ideas, you only leave out tattoing the ID on the slaves - sorry the prisoners - so that the under-people can be tracked in the labor.
now you just need the american english version for the very catchy marketing of the Arbeit macht frei.
Mexico will pay through the blood, sweat and tears of its people. Saying that Mexico would pay for the wall, the assumption was it would be through money… but there are other ways to pay.
While that may have been true at one time, we may soon be living in a post-Constitutional world. In any event, the Constitution means whatever the Supreme Court says it means… and that changes from age to age. What seems cruel and unusual today may be seen as kind and commonplace tomorrow.
No they won’t. Mexico isn’t paying for any wall. Maybe there’s a chance some wall actually gets built, but if so, it will be paid for by the US government (and will be a huge waste of money, as well as a symbol of intolerance for generations).
As tempting as it is to pay all of this at the Presidents feet, this is a Republican goal - this is bigger than anyone person. Trump’ s job is to sign the legislation, and it is the job of Congress to get to work and write the thing up for the President to sign. That’s how this works.
And instead of fighting it, you want to hasten the process?
Fair point. It is worth exploring. No one wants invasion, but if it could save lives and improve the quality of life for both Americans and Mexicans it could be the better solution.
No, this would harm the country, and harming the country is the opposite of the job of our leaders. That’s how this works.
While I sense you may be kidding, the idea of tracking illegal immigrants convicted of the crime is not a bad one. However, we don’t need tattoos. An injected chip, such as we use for our pets (and we love our pets so it is kind) would permit the authorities the ability to always know where they are at any given time. If they are where they shouldn’t be, the authorities can catch them fast.
Why not just summary execution? Maybe with torture first, as a deterrent? Along with killing their children slowly in front of them?
But that wouldn’t pay for the wall, unless… I got it!-- Gladiatorial combat, and pay-per-view.
Since the gladiators would be Mexican citizens, technically speaking, Mexicans would provide the service that pays the wall.
Well, no.
I won’t get into the “property of the state” issue. But as others have noted, the Constitution does allow involuntary servitude for people who have been convicted of crimes. (But see my comments below.) So making prisoners work is legal.
And the key point is making prisoners work. Not asking them to work or waiting for them to volunteer for work. Prisoners are ordered to work and they do not have the right to refuse.
Others have mentioned the Eight Amendment but I don’t feel it applies. Building a wall is a legitimate construction project. Having prisoners work in construction is not cruel or unusual. Plenty of non-prisoners work in construction and they don’t seem to find the work unbearable.
So while this is a bad idea, I don’t think it’s an illegal idea.
All this is assuming the government decides to enact laws and set up a system to convict people living in the country illegally. A lot of people aren’t aware of this but being in the country illegally isn’t a crime; it’s a civil offense. You can be deported but you can’t be sent to prison.
Crossing the border illegally is a crime. But a fairly minor one. It’s a misdemeanor and the maximum sentence is six months imprisonment. Most people are just deported instead.
I see you left out bile, semen, urine, and cerebrospinal fluid.
May I ask why?
How bloodthirsty of you! Now that would be evil.
And what you suggest is not?
How about a guillotine? That’s instantaneous.
Okay, now I’m DEFINITELY think we’re being used as some kind of some kind of thought experiment or whatever. (If not, I weep for our future)
Forgetting all the outrageous violations of law and human rights, this would end up costing the U.S. far, far more than it would Mexico. Because in your scenario, the only thing Mexico is providing is labor. Everything else is coming from our end.
Which, yet again, is what I sincerely hope is your point: that no matter what, we’ll still be paying for the damned wall ourselves. Because nobody can possibly come up with something so asinine and expect people to take it seriously.
This statement makes it quite clear who you are and what you’re after.
You’re not interested in finding a way of having the wall funded directly or indirectly by Mexico.
You’re interested in vindictive and cruel punishment of illegal immigrants.
That’s what this is all about.
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As tempting as it is to pay all of this at the Presidents feet, this is a Republican goal - this is bigger than anyone person. Trump’ s job is to sign the legislation, and it is the job of Congress to get to work and write the thing up for the President to sign. That’s how this works.
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Tempting, my ass. The incompetent orange buffoon made this the cornerstone of his campaign and he continues to make it a cornerstone of his presidency. The GOP controlled congress never promised a wall. Never said they’d present a bill to sign for building a wall. The GOP doesn’t even want to include funding in the coming budget resolution.
No. This idiocy is entirely owned by Trump and anyone who continues to push this racist agenda.
That’s how this works.