They all start “to say” by definition but these glyphs have been translated in various ways into English over the decades. I believe the intent of “to say” was “to be spoken aloud”. This is really rather obvious and it’s surprising Egyptology missed it.
To sum up, ramps don’t exist now, and never have, and we don’t ever use them, and there is no word for ramp in any language. Did I get that right?
Originally Posted by Peter Morris
These were written long before they were ever inscribed in the walls of the tiny little things Egyptologists euphimistically call “pyramids” and which were probably tombs. When they were written real pyramids were being built and there’s neither any evidence they were tombs nor do these texts appear in or around them.
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Because the word is unattested it means either they didn’t use ramps or nothing is known of the culture or both. Heads I win tails Egyptology loses.
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Only in your own mind. 
Certainly. The highest known geyser, in Yellowstone, can spray over 300 feet into the air. However, it’s beyond belief that such a geyser was in Egypt, on the Giza plateau, and that it sprayed regularly enough that the Egyptians could use it, that it was directional enough that they could use it, and that it would or could fall neatly into your theoretical ‘boat’. Gods, no WONDER you haven’t given the details of this crazy scheme of yours! It just gets more and more ridiculous. I mean, most of the rest of your silly bullshit would obviously not work because of the myriad objections listed in this train wreck of a thread, but at least they were plausible and within the realm of something that could be looked at and picked apart for the fun of it, but this?? :smack:
It is my contention that you’ve shown no such geyser anywhere near the Giza plateau, that there is zero evidence for any such geyser that could or would spray water 80+'(!!) into the air to fall neatly into your theoretical ‘boat’, and that your theory has truly gone off the proverbial deep end with this bombshell revelation. Gods, no wonder you haven’t attempted to model this crazy crap!
BTW, that geyser I mentioned that goes 300’ into the air? It’s not a cold water geyser…and it erupts VERY irregularly. Even with something like Old Faithful (160’ or so) you are talking about an eruption every 60-140 minutes. Even assuming you’d magically get all the water from a geyser eruption all the way up to your ‘boat’, and even assuming it all magically fell into your ‘boat’ (both assumptions which are completely ridiculous), you would only be able to move a load every 60-140 minutes! They would STILL be building the pyramid at this point on that time table (ok, not really…but it would have taken them a lot longer than it actually did).
This is not an exhaustive list of the issues, either, btw…just the ones I could stop laughing long enough to type. You owe me a new monitor, since this one now has milk sprayed across it and I nearly choked to death when I read (and pictured) what you were finally getting at. There aren’t enough in the world for this. At least you made a really shitty day have a silver (or milk colored) lining.
Ropes and ramps and puppy dog tails are real too. I could probably come up with a more plausible way to build the pyramids with puppy dog tails than your crazy geyser theory though (hm…you could probably use them as a lubricant AND possibly…oh, never mind…)
I don’t believe they were stinky footed bumpkins.
The population was only a little over 1 1/2 million and the economy was a primitive low tech barter economy. Lifting the stones for G1 would represent wellover ha;f of the physical labor required to maintain the economy and would consume some 20% of GDP. The Egyptian economy besides being primitive was also relatively fragile due to the high dependence on the height of the nile flood. They would have worked on these pyramids in the height of the growing seasoin at the hottest time of the year with no crop in the ground.
It is highly implausible that they would muster such mampower even were it possible.
It does not “fall” into the boats.
At first it simply fell onto a platform at the height of the first step. From the platform it was carried by the “celestial canals” to the boat.
Stop me when you’ve heard this before.
Fine. I can deal with the lack of evidence. Evidence is all I have.
I can show everything but the travertine but I know right where that is.
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At first it simply fell onto a platform at the height of the first step. From the platform it was carried by the “celestial canals” to the boat.
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80+’ into the air? And how did they build the first platform while having tons (literally) of geyser water falling on them periodically? And how did they get the water to the NEXT level…and the next…and the next? Magical ‘celestial canals’ all the way up? Perhaps turtles all the way down?
And, of course, there is zero evidence for any such thing on the Giza plateau. BTW, a question has occurred to me with this…they built a bunch of pyramids on the Giza plateau. How did they move the geyser about to build the other ones? Also, how did they move about in all the mud? Did they have those platform shoes or build a bunch of raised structures to keep everyone out of the mud? And where are the massive erosion channels that all of this water on the Giza plateau would have left as evidence? It all flowed away in the ‘celestial canals’ too?
On no, please…feel free to give as exhaustive an account of details as you like. Hell, you are doing a bang up job of sinking your own theory with every post you make…and I have to say, I’m getting a hell of a lot of amusement out of this thread. I think this is the most engaged and most I’ve posted in a thread in years, so carry on by all means, old boy.
You only have illogical platitudes as “evidence”.
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Fine. I can deal with the lack of evidence. Evidence is all I have.
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You can deal with a lack of evidence and evidence is all you have? Um…ok. Sadly, you haven’t presented any evidence thus far. Perhaps we have different definitions of that term? Are you thinking ‘evidence’ in the old language that only you understand?
Well, trot it out man. What are you waiting for?? Let’s see your massive evidence for geysers that can shoot out at those heights and in those volumes on the Giza plateau. Heck, just demonstrate THAT alone and we can talk more about your magic machine after that.
XT, the Crystal Geyser reaches heights greater than 40 meters. cladking is wrong simply because no such geyser exists in Egypt.
I’m not disputing that geysers, even cold geysers can shoot that high Tri…GIGO already linked to that one IIRC up thread in fact. However, in this case the cycle is every 22+ hours…and note that the majority of the mass of the water does NOT get to 40 meters. Also, take a look at the picture…see the erosion channel flowing out? That’s what you’d see on the Giza plateau even if this thing had been dry for 4000+ years. No way you could hide that.
ETA: Anyone know where the water table on the Giza plateau is? Because according to your link, Tri:
Of course, just keeping the record clear. There’s a difference between what we’re doing here and what cladking is doing.
Agreed. 
It is fun to look this stuff up and think it through though, I have to admit.
Of course we know that such geysers do not exist in Egypt, I’m only humoring the idea to show that even very simple models that can be imagined do point to a complete failure of his “beautiful” idea. It is interesting for me to learn about earth science.
As pointed before, cold water geysers are not like Old Faithful, cold water geysers are really unreliable. Besides then being useless for this project they still have lots of acidic content, leading one to think that “so much for the side of the pyramid this is spraying to”; I’m only curious now about what happened to the pitifully filled with not enough [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] natron giant jug device.
This is all very interesting, except for cladking’s part which is simply amusing. I’m hoping this thread can deal with the reality and look more closely at how the pyramids were actually built. The amazing part of the construction were the logistics necessary to do it no matter how the stones were lifted. I’m now interested in finding out what we actually do know about this. Unfortunately cladking has wasted numerous posts with his nonsense. People with real information to contribute may not want to climb the monument to ignorance he has built.
And there is actually still quite a bit of exploration to do on the Giza plateau. There are still tombs, palaces and other archeological sites of interest to be discovered (or, in some cases re-discovered…lots of sites were abandoned because they didn’t have gold or treasure by early explorers, but they are sites that WE would be highly interested in today), and there are also the tantalizing possibilities of forgotten or hidden underground shafts and such in and around the area. Sadly, a lot of this stuff has been put on hold since the troubles in Egypt, but I’m hopeful that they will get back on track at some point.
As you say, the REAL magic and jaw dropping genius of the building of the pyramids is in the logistics that allowed the Egyptian kings during that period to martial the work force AND feed, clothe and support them in this endeavor. I’ve been to Egypt twice in my life (and I doubt I’ll have the time or opportunity to go back, unfortunately) and it’s really something to see and try and grasp. Cladking cheapens it, but not as much as the idiots who try and claim aliens built the things.
Neither does anyone else.
There is erosion on the plateau. I doubt this is the result of any acid because the water IS DEGASSED long before it leaves the area. Some people think this is proof the Sphinx was carved before the last ice age;
I suppose now everyone will be impressed and want to get on board.
I hate to break this to you but nothing at all is known about construction. I also hate to break it to you that a lot of people ask me about.
I’d suggest starting with Lehner’s The Complete Pyramids but don’t get your hopes up. There is very little information but he did find a few more unusual ways to say “they mustta used ramps”.