Ah, gotcha…sorry then, I misunderheard you. I’ll let him answer this, since I’m also interested in any details he lets slip about this thing and how it works in his mind.
Incorrect. And also contradictory. If the ‘ancient language’ (by which I assume you mean Old Egyptian. Although you have also claimed that all people of that era spoke the same language, despite their being contemporaneous and coterminous other languages) didn’t drift, how did it evolve? Not to mention your earlier claim that at the “Tower of Babel” event, the ‘ancient language’ was scrambled into unreadable gibberish.
Old Egyptian is not untranslatable, did not undergo a collapse or failure, and didn’t have any NeoPlatonic non-arbitrary correspondence to reality.
That’s pretty. What’s it from? If it mentioned beer, I’d guess a Jimmy Buffett song.
873a If there’s one thing in my life that’s missing
873b it’s the time that I spend alone
873c sailing on the cool
873d and bright clear water.
Oh, come on, it takes seconds to google it:
Ah, the upper eye.
This is a little more mysterious and the specific things they learned to design it are a little more enigmatic to me. I’ve tried drawing it before but this was the extremely complicated. It would have been about 24" across at its narrowest and was a flaring cone below this. They’d have needed deflectors to shunt aside overpressure event to prevent “set from again swallowing the eye of horus”. Above the eye itself was a sort of very shallow inverted bowl and walls that would hold the shm-sceptres in the water to divert it into the mn-canal that surround the shallow bowl. There’s a surprising amount of technology in and around this feature. For instance just below the 24" opening was a gap that collected CO2 at high pressure and this was channeled to the nearby nurse canal and released under the mks-sceptre which was the signaling device which burned to alert men to report to work. One of these survives and is known as the tri-lobed disc. The gap and channel that moved CO2 was called the 'rennenutet". The “eyebrow” of horus was here and this device automatically treated the water to finish degassing and provide an odor to it. It was merely a box with a floating lid.
All this equipment was in the mehet weret cow which channeled the celestial waters to build the king.
1059b + 3 (N. 1055 + 48). like the equipment which was made in Mḥt-wr.t (mehet weret)
The cow literally built the king since the pyramid was the ka of the king just as they said.
It can’t be translated.
It can be interpreted in terms of modern language.
See I Corinthians 14 for a modern language understanding of “interpretation”.
Part of what is being called “interpretation” is actually just taking the writing literally. It means onlly what it says and no more. It’s not really “interpretation” in the sense that we normally use the word. One might “interpret” literature or another post but one just reads ancient language and says what it means. There’s is no tranlation after the words are stated in another language.
An ancient language speaker with effort can understand modern language but to him it will sound very confusing because any definition for a word can be chosen. Part of good communication in the ancient language was to have very fixed definitions. Of course with practice anyobne can use modern language but then they might end up in a thread like this one. ![]()
Animal languages/ ancient language is a reflection of the wiring of the brain. This wiring is a sort natural logic like the logic of mathematics. This means the language was naturally logical. Being logical doesn’t confer knowledge but only the means to acquire knowledge when combined with observation. As new knowledge was acquired it was added directly to the language forcing the language to evolve. But just as modern science doesn’t “change” it does evolve. Modern languages change and are always splitting further but the ancient language was “fixed” by the natural logic of nature as manifested in the organism (brain).
This all sounds odd to us because it doiesn’t reflect our models and it doesn’t reflect our models chiefly because of perspective but also because some of our models have errors. To a large extent the models are reflective of reality as seen from modern language. The salient points can be overlooked from this perspective.
Ancient language collapsed. As human knowledge exploded with the invention of writing the language became increasingly complex. Within only 1200 years the language had become so complex that the average man was at a disadvantage to the learned. It became unfair to determine issues based on the ability of an individual to present his case. By edict modern language became the law of the land. All people spoke the same language and the same problems were occurring everywhere so when the new way arose at “babel” it spread everywhere and each dialect became a distinct language and began evolving in distinct directions since they were no longer tied to reality or to logic.
See 1 Corinthians 14-ancient Bible text-for a modern language understanding of “interpretation”? A chapter that talks of speaking in tongues and prophesying?
Is this you dropping another hint as to how special you think you are? Do you think that you are a “prophet” of some sort?
Mebbe they used three monkeys, each with its hands over a different sensory organ. ![]()
It’s mightily difficult to understand when you’re shutting out what someone is saying.
I don’t believe in “prophets”.
I believe the concept of “prophesy” is a confusion of the ancient word that meant “the ability to make accurate prediction through understanding of theory”. “Prophesy” isn’t about magic or belief but is a product of knowledge and understanding.
Perhaps I should have included explanatory notes for understanding the Bible segment in the way I believe it might have arisen.
Egyptological understanding of ancient “magic” is even more confused than their understanding of “religion”. What they mistake for religion is actually theory and what they mistake for magic is the means by which theory is acquired.
The word they translate as “magic” is “heka” should be translated something like “the ability to make scientific observation”. “Sia” is the command of language and theory. In the ancient language this is virtually equivalent to the ability to know and act correctly. If you understood language then you acted according to all human knowledge and you had all this knowledge at your fingertips. “Hu” was the ability to transform thought and words into physical reality. It was “effective utterance”.
Your bablings about the eye of horus being the hole of the geyser don’t make any sense at all.
If that hole was drilled to build the pyramids how come Hathor,Wadjet,and Sekhmet are already attested in the pre-dynastic period?
Hundreds of years before the drilling of your geyser.
Also " Hathor sprang from the eye and when the eye was invented she was replaced by Sekhmet." is absloute total gibberish.
Also, if these aren’t Gods, why do they have tempels and priests and why do people make offerings to them?
How did they manage to keep the CO2 burning?
You are making the same errors that Egyptologists make. You’re trying to pidgeon hole their "beliefs in terms of later people. When I point out there was an earlier form of their beliefs you want to pidgeon-hole them in these terms and you see contradictions. You are forgetting that I’m claiming language evolved as knowledge evolved. You can’t see 3000 years of Egyptian history in terms of the book of the dead or in terms of the pyramid builders. Their language and knowledge had grown and evolved for 40,000 years. Atum wasn’t born with the pyramids but pre-existed them by many centuries. When man came to the plateau there was already the life (ankh) of the desert and the mound of creation under the ben ben of atum. “Zep tepi” was the mythological first eruption and atum the water source.
This didn’t stop being true when the geyser was first drilled and then the djed invented. They simply added layers of knowledge to existing knowledge which was all within the metaphysical language. Ancient concepts were still true but had layers of new knowledge added to them.
Hathor was the “goddess” of the sitting water long before anyone even thought of drilling into the primeval mound to increase the water flow. She was still the “natural phenomenon of the (beauty of) sitting water on the horizon” as they began running this water down hill in order to lift stones to build mastabas. But when Imhotep came up with the idea of stacking mastabas a new goddess was created to reflect the water atop the first step; sekhmet. Sekhmet didn’t run down the hills but made it possible for the masculine concept of water power (seker) to pull the counterweight down to ground level while lifting a “house basket” of stones.
Their ancient gods didn’t “die” they had children. These natural phenomena were remembered by their birth orders. Nehebkau was the hydraulic cycle which they had to undersytand before they understood the process of degassificartion (nrt-knw). Nehebkau was a more general term so embraced his son nwt-knw. The grammar held that all conically or cylindrically shaped objects or concepts were masculine and those which contained holes or conformed to their surroundings were feminine. Sometimes it’s difficult to understand the nature of the subject or perspective and sometimes the gender of the pronoun will change to reflect the specific part of an item being referred to. Everything had male and female characteristics and were inseparable. Ancient language defined perspective and normnally looked at everything from the inside while we don’t define perspective and rarely notice when communication fails utterly.
CO2 will snuff a fire.
But the concentrations of CO2 were far too low to interfere with the operation of the mks-sceptre. Even during temperature inversions when the gas might have accumulated and affected the fire it didn’t happen because the heat from the buring oil created its own circulation of fresh air.
These are modern confusions.
For instance “palace” was the place that a natural phenomenon occurred when it had to be constructed.
There was no such thing as a “priest”. This was a a generic term for “scientist”. They were usually called “seers” but this should be interpreted as “observers”. Of course everyone was a “priest” but the term applied to the professionals. Anyone could become a priest by merely learning the language. There were specific types of “priests” who were called “prophets” and thesewere professional scientists charged with oversight of specific projects. The anubis priest oversaw pyramid construction. The w3g-priests lifted water inside G1. The priestess of the sycamore grew fig trees to make djeds and for other purposes. There wasn’t extensive specializatioon but there was enough knowledge no one could really command all of it so most scientists did specialize at least somewhat.
There were subtle differences between ancient and modern science as well and some of these add up to surprises. The nature of a tool determines the jobs it can do and the results. Ancient science was highly effective in a few areas and very poor at creating technology.
You’re babling again.
was I speaking about the book of the dead? No.
I asked you how Hathor sprang from your drilled hole and also existed BEFORE that hole.
Before Gizeh, at Abydos.
Also, where do you get that Sekhmet had anything to do with water, or replace Hathor?
New theory – cladking is world-building for a very elaborate RPG scenario. It takes place at the height of Ancient Egypt, but it has a twist – instead of religion guiding the society and monument builders, it’s some sort of “metaphysical” (note that this remains undefined) scientific system. The “Priest” class will actually have abilities based on these metaphysical principles, with high-level priests able to utilize natural features like the high-powered CO2 cold-water geysers that populate his fictional version of the kingdom of ancient Egypt.
I’ll play along – I don’t fully get the Priest class, so here’s my character:
Anubo the Weary is a mid-level warrior (with a few levels of rogue thrown in from time ) – the son of a poverty-stricken noble family who was forced into the Egyptian army to survive and earn money. He distinguished himself in many battles and rose to be one of the higher-ranking members of the Pharoah’s personal guard, but he is very suspicious of the Priests and their so-called metaphysical science – he doesn’t trust their growing influence on the Pharoah, but can’t deny their power as they manipulate the mysterious natural forces of the earth to raise great masses of stone for the brand new pyramid construction project.
Besides, it is you that is pidgeon holing. As if everything revolves around the great pyramid.
So besides needing a pressure pump to inject the water with natron underground, and elements to mix the water properly that is spraying over ground now we have to add a source of oil, that line of yours about the “burning oil created its own circulation of fresh air.” also points to yet another contraption that has to float above all.
If it is extremely complicated to the level of not even being able to picture it, it is not likely for it to had been real ever.