There is a statue of George H.W. Bush in the center of Houston Intercontenental Airport. It is entitled “Winds of Change.” Not very big though – I think it would only take a few people to tear it down.
New Iskander wasn’t really joking though:
Poor oppressed Londoners – no statue of thier oppressor had been erected so they had to build it themsleves before tearing it down. (Yes I understand the symbolism of the protest but doesn’t it say something about the difference between Saddam and Bush?)
Wow. That’s your assessment. And it is utter BS. America is not fighting Saddam. America is occupying Iraq and fighting the Iraqis who oppose the occupation. And there seem to be plenty enough to be giving the USA a headache.
Your comparison is flawed. The nazis were bad because they attacked other countries. In this case America is the attacker and Iraq is Poland. The Germans also killed those Poles who resisted.
Ok let me try to defend my OP a bit.
First my OP makes more sense than the script of the Red Dawn movie. (Yes I am aware that there is barely a script in that movie 
) People who LIKED the Red Dawn movie apparently weren’t to worried about How, Why or When of the invasion. They just enjoyed the flag waving and action… very similar to current wars we all know about.
I avoided establishing an Invader nations since the people would just endlessly debate why aliens or mexicans would never invade the USA. In case you didn't notice the question was rhetorical as would any invasion of the USA scenario be. (ET language is not spoken in the USA Mehabitel). Though an alien invasion was my "primary" choice.
I guess besides provoking people or just because I remembered the Red Dawn movie... I made the OP. I know the differences are big... but after all the movie doesn't explain much about the background... and we could suppose that even if the US had become some crazy Theocracy that many americans wouldn't take it lightly about being "liberated" in a hostile manner. Supporting the Church or not, people don't like being invaded. The OP doesn't need a stirling and equal analogy to be useful... since any US invasion scenario is far fetched anyway.
Final Point: My guess is that people who are pro-Iraq war, especially, would certainly react against any invasion just like many non-Saddam Iraqi are. The Red Dawn and the comments I read on IMDB seem to confirm this. Dogface's extreme "solutions" certainly would ring a note with extremists everywhere... or saboteurs and insurgents.Please tell me you aren’t serious. There are many reasons the Nazis were “bad.” Invading other countries for the purpose of permanent occupation was one of them (like Saddam - Kuwait). Another was having a corrupt government that which invested all control in one brutal dictator who controlled his nation with secret police (like Saddam). Another reason was the filling of mass graves with political dissidents and with people who weren’t racially or religiously tolerated (like Saddam).
The Nazis killed a lot more Poles than just those who resisted and that is perhaps one reason why Poland supports the US in the current war against Saddam.
What ignorance! Obviously, you never been to Berkeley, CA.
Klingon is fictitious… not alien !
At least you learned how to spell it right, even if you are only copy and pasting. Are you going to actually make a point, or continue trolling with fairly lame attempts at insults?
I don’t wish to insult anybody. If you carefully re-read my post where I was trying to continue on what I thought was your joke, you will see that I didn’t really implicate you at all.
Zagadka in Russian means riddle, no?
Well, after his term, you can show your disdain by going to the newly-dedicated George Walker Bush Presidential Library (it’ll be the one filled with colouring books) and talking loudly.
That’ll teach 'im.
Zagadka
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Zagadka, you need to seriously work on maintaining a more civil tone here. As in, NOW.
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If George Bush were a Fascist dictator, I’d welcome invasion. I’m not alone.
Well, thanks for the clarification, I guess. But Red Dawn was taken about as seriously as the Rambo movies when it came out–ie not at all.
I thought it was hilarious when foreigners took these superhero militant fantasies as having any meaning to Americans outside of the readers of ‘Soldier of Fortune’ and 14-year-old boys. Afraid you’ve been duped. Relax.
Actually the how, and why and when were explained quite well in the first minute or two of the movie.
When the Air Force Colonel joined up with the kids, he added more explanation to the how.
Perhaps you should have used Independence Day , as your movie of choice , rather than Red Dawn. The surviving members of the invasion force will have been identified as someone.
People are people , some will turn over for their new masters and others will put them up against the wall when the dust settles , methods and tactics will be determined by the local situation.
Its quite possible that some of them will roll over , but in reality most areas under occupation would do so under duress , not one thing more than absolutely nessecary to survive , while working with the underground.
But I do believe there is no comparison, the idea of a terrestrial invasion of America has no real bite to it, you would have to have some of the military dopers guess about the logistics of an invasion , playing the red force. How many corps would be required , that sort of thing.
If the invasion is staged out of Canada , by some third party nation , then its likely that Canada will have been targetted for some instant sunshine , in likely or scoped out staging areas ,and the same with the land route via mexico.
A seaborne invasion is likely to become the million man swim , depending on how many actually survive.
An invasion of America proper , would be a war to the knife , and I don’t doubt that any person in the world would soon learn what its like to have a very pissed off america. Be careful what you wish for.
Declan
Blame Canada?
Oh, yeah, right. The * Baathists * are innocent victims of oppression. :rolleyes:
It is so easy to just say the only ones fighting back are “baathists” and leave it at that. Well, to me it seems it’s a lot more than baathists and, in any case, I wouldn’t care. The USA had no legal right to attack, invade and occupy Iraq. Their only right derives from saying “I will because I can”. Ok, but don’t complain if the other side does what they can too. The way I see it, they have all the right in the world to resist an invasion and occupation just like Americans would have the right to do if their country was invaded.
American has no right to go into a country and change regimes it doesnot like just like other countries have no right to go to Washington and topple the government. If other countries allow the USA to govern itself, I can’t see why other countries should not be allowed the same right.
If the USA has the right to invade a country to change the political system, I can’t see how other countries do not enjoy the same right with respect to the USA.
And if might makes right, then you can’t complain about anyone using force. Everyone is entitled to use force by this standard.
Sailor, if you’re seriously going to maintain that there is no important moral difference between the Coalition forces and the rebels they’re fighting, then something is horribly, horribly wrong with your mind, and I will not try to reason with you. Take a good look at my tagline. It applies to you.
One of my points is pointing out that not all “insurgents” are Baathists. In the beggining of the occupation probably they were in greater numbers. More and more are not Saddam men… but disgruntled youth. How many disgruntled youth do you think there are in Iraq ? Many just want to lash out… and the guns are easy enough to find. Do not go for the folly of beleiving that being against the US invasion is sympathy for the devil or Saddam.
Independence day could have been one of the examples of course… though it would be a different kind of resistance. Now imagine if aliens had attempted some kind of Bullshit about making the earth a peaceful place and proceeded about destroying military facilities everywhere ? How many would just stand by ? When these same aliens started patrolling US streets ? Still conjecturing specific scenarios for an invasion can be done in other threads… my scenario is overwhelming forces taking over the US. Regular military forces offering no more resistance.
As for Red Dawn I know most SMDB members see it what it is for... silly and fantasy. Still some people don't. They enjoy the idea that the US would never give in or like Declan put it:
Yep Americans don't quit and roll over... and neither it seem do Iraqis.