Most movies are fantasy and silly, what’s your point? However, the underlying theme of Red Dawn rings true with many. While the US has not been tested recently on our own soil, history is on our side on this one. It would take a massive army to even attempt to take over the smallest part of the US, and right now, that massive army just doesn’t exist.
I would venture to say that there are other countries that would not roll over easy either.
hhmmm... the point is not what would take to roll over the USA... any decent alien race can do it (yep sarcasm)... the point is that Americans would probably react in a similar way to insurgents in Iraq if they were in a similar situation.(spelled out for ease of understanding)
Why iraqis are not happy about it and how they mght have been is another topic...Oh, I am not saying they are morally the same. Not at all. The USA attacked iraq with no moral or legal justification whatsoever. OTOH, the rebels are defending their homeland against the invader. Definitely very different in my eyes.
The purpose of the USA in Iraq is to assert control of the Iraqi economy, mainly the oil, and to secure military bases in the region for decades to come, and it is doing this by the use of military force.
The purpose of the insurgents is to regain their country from the American domination. I definitely see a moral difference. A very big one. A huge one.
But sailor they’re fighting and killing US troops who are just there to help the poor Iraqis not carry out a illegal war of aggression/imperialism. That has to be wrong. Don’t you see that? 
Reminds me of the Omaha beach scene in Saving Private Ryan when one of the soldiers says something along the lines of “They’re not giving us a chance, it isn’t fair” Well duh!
But they’re not fighting for ‘freedom’. They’re fighting so they can loot the country further and regain the power they had when they were ruling with an iron fist. These are not insurgents who have a bright shining plan for the future, just thugs who want power for themselves. I can’t really blame them, they’ve lived under such a warped sense of values all their lives and I’ve heard serious speculation that a sizable number of Iraqis are actually mentally ill.
Americans would be fighting for freedom, real freedom. Which would make a huge difference.
Although I wonder why Rashask seems to think that the aliens would not be attacking other countries as well. Why would they stop at America? And of course our allies would be helping out.
I guess I lack imagination and i haven’t seen any of the movies mentioned but the only invasion of the USA I can imagine would be by something like the Sweedish Bikini Team. . . in which case resistance would be futile or non-existant.
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Now imagine if aliens had attempted some kind of Bullshit about making the earth a peaceful place and proceeded about destroying military facilities everywhere ?QUOTE]
Like the 80s TV miniseries about facist alien lizards - ‘V: The Final Battle’? That would rock! I want to be Michael Ironsides!
First I would resist the invasion by killing all the fucking hippies.
Second, start hoarding and profiteering.
I wonder what kind of glorious paradise the Iraties would create for themselves if we pulled out tomorrow?
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Well the would have potentially had a chance of one in the future if they had of been left alone to make their own future and if that meant having to wait till Saddam died then so be it. That’s the countries that don’t float on oil are handled.
How would your allies help out ? Especially since the US is so impervious to invasion by sea... its also too far out to help them ! Never mind that other countries will be facing their own alien problems.
I see you understand very little about Alien Tactics… 
Can I say “Queer guys against the Blonde invasion ?” Or angrey wives ?
Though I agree the resistance by heterosexual males would be close to non-existant.
Well, i can think of a parallel. Spain had a ruthless dictator by the name of Franco for several decades. The USA did not feel any need to replace him. On the contrary, Franco was propped up by the USA because he played along and granted America military bases in Spain and such other concessions as the US demanded. Then Franco died of old age and Spain, with some bumps along the way, found its way to a democratic system which has been working pretty well for about 30 years now.
My conclusions are
(A) the USA is willing to support ruthless dictators when it is in their interest to do so. They are doing so right now by ignoring all sorts of human rights abuses in countries where it is not in their interest to denounce them.
(B) Change imposed from outside is bound to fail while change that comes from within is much more stable and effective. It would have been better for the US to work with the UN and Iraq to achieve change from within Iraq. This war has made things worse, not better in Iraq and the MENA region.
I agree, but the Husseins were in power at least one generation deep. If Sadaam were to die, either of his sons would have taken over for dad, and it appears they would have been well supported.
I am stating no opinion here, but sometimes that change you mentioned has to come from the outside. Due to overwhelming oppression, it is unable to foster itself from within.
Comparison with Iraq is fatally flawed.
Whoever will “liberate” US, will find some WMDs.
That will change everything, right?
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Or do we have any?
Ok but seriously guys forget Iraq and Bush (I hate the war and the man behind it too), bigger questions are at stake here: You wake up one fine morning and there are soldiers and tanks on your street only the flag on their uniform is not that of USA what do you do? For me there would be 2 options:
a)The soldiers outside are Russian which is just great as I am technically still a Russian eligible for the draft 
so I guess I get to become one of the oppressors after they catch me
b)The soldiers are of some other origin and have no more interest in me then any other civilian. Now personally I would first go to Home Depot or some other place that cells kerosene and Styrofoam in bulk as well as stack up on glass bottles that shatter easily plus gun powder plus nails and whatever other stuff around is available that can make people go away for a really long time and put it to good use. Then later I would ask questions about whether maybe the soldiers’ presence here is justified. I am not an American or an American Patriot but I do believe that in this day and age if you can’t solve a problem peacefully you are probably not qualified to be solving it in the first place and if you are invading my place of residence without a UN go ahead I am going to try and do whatever I can to make you see that that is a bad idea and whatever you hoped to achieve is not worth the price that I will do my best to make you pay.
So tell me what would you do? Try to understand the other sides’ motivation and perhaps co-operate or shoot (throw/plant/stab) first and ask questions later? Would you feel like you are a terrorist or a freedom fighter if you did decide to target enemy soldiers?
P.S. Zagadka where are you from?
Pity those “noble Iraqi freedom fighters” were all in suspended animation for the last thirty years or so. :rolleyes:
Why are they only now showing some themselves? Where were they when the previous regime did much, much worse?
scratch out the word some and my sentence might actually make sense.
Good Question… some of them rose up in the south and were waiting for US and allied troops to help them out. Guess they all got killed because it was inconvenient for Bush Sr. and the US to have a Shi’ite Iraq.
What is your stated opinion about GWI? Did you always advocate removal of Saddam in 1991? Yes or No?
Good Question… I did a paper on the reasons why the USA didn’t go further. It basically meant keeping Iran at bay and the Saudis as hostages to US military defense. Now you ask my opinion… well didn’t really think about it back then.
Did Bush Sr. incite the revolt ? If he did… big mistake leaving them out like that. If they didn’t they should have given them a measure of protection they gave the Kurds. Hhhmm… I think Saddam should have been removed. He certainly wasn’t going to be less of a hassle due to GWI. I think they should have occupied large parts of southern Iraq and pressured Saddam into exile or slowly taken Iraq. Or supported insurgents against him properly.