Howard Schultz considers run; urged against.

Dunmo why I expected an answer, tbh.

Little Nemo:

Michael Bloomberg did pretty well as mayor of NYC. It’s not President of the USA, but it’s still a pretty darned big government to run.

NYC has more people than 39 states so mayor of NYC is like being governor of a large state.

Where’s the +10 button (for when a +1 button is just not enough)?

If Democrats run a Bernie Sanders type I would have to vote for Howard Schultz.

He’s probably going to be pretty popular with the Kremlin disinformation bot constituency.

Yes it is more basic, perhaps we should elevate your understanding of the firm.

That’s like saying the president is accountable to the electoral college. This is what some would call a pedantic understanding, but not a practical understanding.

They should have done this after they lost to him the first time.

in 2016 Sanders was the only real alternative to Clinton, the rest were nobodies. This time if Sanders runs he will have a large group of well known people to battle . The anti front runner vote will be divided. (whoever the front runner ends up being)

It certainly is funny how so many “independents” on the internet always seem to end up voting a straight Republican ticket, because the Democrats are always too extreme in some way or another.

You’re not an independent. You’re a Republican with an asterisk, and that asterisk doesn’t count, because it doesn’t count when you vote.

I think you have the tail wagging the dog. The mainstream party that attacks the third party isn’t losing voters because of the attack. They made the attack because they know they were going to lose votes to that third party.

Let’s say Bernie Sanders decides to make an independent run in 2020. You won’t see the Republicans attacking him. Because they know he’s draining votes from the Democratic candidate. The Republicans will be happy to sit back and see the Democrats fighting against Sanders.

I agree. I’m assuming somebody is probably going to make a symbolic challenge against Trump for the Republican nomination. And I’m assuming they’re going to fail.

Schultz wants to fight the deficit by doing anything (including eliminating entitlements) other than raising taxes on billionaires like him.

To critique Schultz himself, how big a constituency is there for another guy who wants to cut Social Security and Medicare, cut taxes for the rich, and invite in more low-wage immigrant workers?

I mean, Trump succeeded in cutting taxes for the rich and tried to take away your health care, but at least he was smart enough to flat-out lie about it before the election.

You do remember that Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump got, right? You guys ran a candidate who people like less than Hillary Clinton and you’re planning on running him again? And you think the Democrats should be worried?

I’m not the least bit worried that Trump will win the 2020 election. But I am worried that he might “win”.

who is the "you guys’ that I am a part of? If you look around here you will see I am no Trump supporter at all.

As far as winning more popular votes , that’s like saying your FB team gained more yards in the game they lost, it’s a nice stat but does not matter. You have to focus on the way the votes are counted if you want to win.

Yes – the constituency is very small. It is influential, though, and includes people close to the potential candidate-to-be who stand to make a lot of money off that golden goose, so you can see why it keeps happening.

Just in case – he’s talking about running independent, thereby giving himself the nomination. See Lemur866:

QFT.

A parliamentary system, eh? They have advantages – you get to judge the party in power based on its actions. But for god’s sake don’t make it a Westminster parliamentary system (like Britain). Proportional representation, please.

Right. I like the idea of a multi-party system, but our two-party system does a lot of the same stuff, just worse. Each of our major parties is basically a coalition, and realigns over time. (Don’t get me wrong, it’s terrible – I’m just saying that “independent” voters are often more well-represented than they think they are. It’s not like most of us would be 100% thrilled with our choices in a 5-party system – especially when coalition-forming time came.)

And yes: if you haven’t figured out that you need a major party nomination to be elected president, you’re probably dumber about politics than Donald John Trump. (Schultz might not be thinking about winning, of course.)

He wouldn’t have a snowball’s chance*, so all I’d get out of it is shits and giggles. (And a distraction from the circular firing squad we might see in the Democratic primary. That would be really good, so … okay, semi-thrilled.)

  • Jewish, latte-selling, and anti-racist. He’s not getting the GOP nomination.

I feel like I didn’t emphasize the bolded sentence enough:

The President of the Center for American Progress tweeted:

Another blue-checkmark tweeter said:

(which is exactly what I’d expect from liberals in Portland, but I’m not so sure about the “nationwide” part)

there will be blood, espresso, and cappuccino in the streets!!