Here’s what an inappropriately slutty pep-rally dance looks like when it’s done by girls who can actually dance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PGB8x46P-A
Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I did watch a bit of it. God, the music (noise) is awful. And none of those girls can dance, ie move their bodies in time to music. I’m not sure which disturbs me more: the premise of the “dance” or the poor execution of same.
What is with the hoodies? Our Pom-Pons had uniforms similar to cheerleader ones (and some of their routines raised eyebrows as well).
I’m becoming an old fuddy-duddy, but do we truly want our young women to display this kind of thing as a matter of course? 
So, you’re saying that its preferrable that we keep denying the fact humans are sexual creatures? :dubious: I utterly loathe the concept that we should clamp down on the barest hint of sexuality in teenagers. Young children, yes, and in no way should we allow the exploitation of anyone (Note: I’m using the term “exploitation” in the sense of forcing a person into an activity which they would otherwise not do.) sexually. Routines like that (even well performed ones) are harmless. Odds are, at least some of those girls are sexually active anyway, so its not like they’re going to get the idea that bumping uglies is a fun activity from doing it.
Maybe, just maybe, this country wouldn’t be so screwed up in so many ways if we were actually honest and open about sex. We have no problem letting kids see violent actions in movies, but Og forbid they get a glimpse of even the barest sight of a nipple, or the whole world will end. If kids imitate things they see in the movies, which would you rather have them doing? Bumping uglies? Or picking up a gun and shooting people at random? Personally, if they’re going to do anything, I’d rather they bumped uglies.
Teenage girls bumping and grinding for the enjoyment of teenage boys on school grounds is not harmless.
I’m 40 years old. My mother’s generation fought long and hard for the right to be seen as an equal- a person of her own, worthy because of her brain, her talents, her personality. Not as a sexual object to be ogled and fondled. Today’s generation of girls is turning the clock way back on that concept. The style of dress, the current “dating” practice of “hooking up”, the rap and hiphop songs and videos- it’s kind of crazy, actually. The young girls today seem so accepting and agreeable to their objectification. I don’t like it.
Now you get off my lawn.
But there is a big difference between being open and accepting of sex, and honest about it…and allowing our daughters to behave as if the only valued form of sexual expression is the cheapest and tawdriest. I’m all for teaching kids that sex is great and wonderful…but that does not include letting them display themselves like hookers in from of a crowd of people. If they are going to do that, they can go get paid for it, and deal with all the ugly stuff that comes with that.
Well, actually, quite often they are.
They’re usually not quite that incompetent, though.
Wow, that girl in the middle who kept adjusting her socks and uh…bloomers in the middle of the routine? Really, really bad.
Also, if you watch the whole video (ok, if you skip forward to around the half-way mark) the chairs become occupied by teenaged boys, on whom the girls continue their bump and grind routine. I expect that’s what has got people up in arms.
Damn right, those women should only have the right to think for themselves and do what they choose if they think what you want them to think and choose what you want them to choose!
Compared to going on a killing spree, yes, yes, it is harmless. (And you forgot about us dirty old men who like to watch!)
Ditto.
Humans always objectify. Doesn’t matter if your male, female, straight, gay, or bi. If you don’t conform to whatever trends happen to be popular at the moment, you’re some kind of freak who needs to be reviled. You’re only limited to being seen as a sexual object if you choose to be. If those kids in that video think that their best shot at becoming anything is tied directly to how well they bump and grind, it says a lot more about the school system (which is apparently failing), than it does about the choices they’ve made.
Women have made tremendous gains in the past 50+ years, and they’re not going to be taken away simply because teenagers decide they like to wiggle their asses in public. (It should be noted that the so-called “metrosexual” trend in boys shows no signs of letting up.) There are natural evolutions which go along with large scale social changes like women being empowered, and in some cases, what at first appears to be a step backwards is, in reality, a step forward.
I didn’t think folks in Tucson had lawns, just sand. 
Watching the two videos makes me wonder; when the he’ll did white kids become the better dancers? I really am getting old.
I guess I’m getting old, too. I just know that these teenage girls with their tight pants and their little boobies are all up on my two teenaged boys. And they need to back off! heh. But seriously.
And you’re right about the lawn. I have no lawn. I have gravel that keeps the dirt down. Get off my gravel.
And you never did anything like that when you were a teenager? :dubious:
You can have mine, its got snow on it, which I’ll throw in free of charge!
And my generation fought long and hard for the right to express ourselves as whole beings. Including our sexuality. I don’t need to be an asexual being to be taken seriously. My sexual desires and expressions of sexuality do absolutely nothing to diminish my brains, talent, or personality. I’m a whole package, free to emphasize whichever parts I feel like at any given time.
Anyway, this video wasn’t too shocking to me. Kids will be kids.
I dunno about anyone else, but we didn’t. It just “wasn’t done” if that makes sense - it wouldn’t have occured to me to dance like that. I’m sure boys would have thought I’d lost my marbles if I had. 
Speaking of lawns, you can borrow mine, Alice. 
So, you’re telling me that you never did anything the least bit risque as a teenager? Never batted an eye at a boy in a manner which would cause your parents to have conniptions if they’d have seen it? Never wore an article of clothing in a remotely suggestive manner? (And remember, to a teenage boy, any garment which shows more skin than a burqa is a suggestive garment.) :dubious:
Oh, come on! You’re trying to equate a little eye-batting with bending over while wearing skimpy panties and gyrating your rump in some guy’s face? I think there is a huge difference between the two. We flirted, we teased, we seduced, we pressed ourselves close during slow dances, we did all sorts of wonderful things in private…but if I had broken into a dance like that during a canteen in high school, no one would have been talking to me for weeks. You just didn’t behave like that. And it didn’t stunt our sexual activity a bit to not spread our legs like that in a public setting.
Societal mores change. The things which you did as a teenager would have been absolutely scandalous a generation or two beforehand. You may not have done the kind of dancing that they did, but you did do behavior which pushed the limits of the time. That’s what being a teenager is all about.
In high school? Possibly may have done that … I thought you were talking about that kind of dancing, or “rubbing up” on a guy … we didn’t do that. We weren’t very bold, either, as far as flirting goes. I am an old fart, after all.
Tuck, I think the confusion here lies between “never did anything like that” and “behavior which pushed the limits at the time”. I took the former literally.
No one’s asking the girls to deny their sexuality… they can do it all, and then some, in private. Though I doubt anyone’s going to ask any of those particular girls for an encore. But there’s no reason it has to be institutionalized like that. What if a girl was uncomfortable with it, but having been chosen (signed up? I doubt they had auditions…), she couldn’t really refuse. But I’m not from a culture of cheerleading, so I find the whole thing a little odd, to be honest.