I also suspect that McCoy slipped a stimulant as well as as the tri-ox and the delayed-action heart suppresseant in there. It’s hard to see how Kirk managed to last in that fight as long as he did, as every other Kirk-Spock tussle is a one-sided, Kirk-getting-his-ass-stomped massacre.
I’ve never understood why, apart from plot reasons, Kirk decided to piss Spock off in “Paradise Syndrome.” I understand that he needed the technical help, but it would have been much smarter to run that strategem on Scott or Uhura, whom he could reasonably have expected to be able to overpower. It was pure dumb luck that he survived the fight with Spock; the episode makes it clear tha tthe strength difference between humans and Vulcans is simply overwhelming.
Besides all that, as Wil Wheaton pointed out, Worf got his ass kicked an awful lot on TNG. Although he did show that the mutant strain of knobbly headed Klingons were better than the non-knobbly badly tanned Klingons.
Trip survived some, ah intense moments with T’Pol in Star Trek Enterprise. I guess Vulcans can control their strength when needed.
Tom Paris got pretty bruised up with B’Elanna Torres in Voyager. I recall a few comments in episodes. Same thing with Dax and Worf on DS9. Dating a Klingon can be painful.
At least compared to Vulcans or Klingons, humans are disgracefully the 98-pound weaklings of the Alpha Quadrant; you have to go all the way down to the Ferengi before you find a humanoid race that is less physically capable. Maybe humans are the only advanced race that has refused to accept genetic engineering to increase their physical ability.
Or rather, they tried genetic engineering and it lead to a race of super-humans bent on conquering Earth, so they figured it was too much trouble to be worth it.
The Eugenics War did eventually lead to an ancestor of Dr. Noonien Soong’s, Arik Soong, to go into robotics and develop Data.
Also, see Dr. Bashir for examples of humans still not completely sold on the idea of not using genetic engineering
Ferengi are poorly characterized. In their first appearance, The Last Outpost, they’re shown to be stronger than humans. It’s only when the writers decided to make them a joke species did they become weaker, and that could be wanked away as a cultural condition. They could still kick a human’s ass if they really wanted to, but being cowards only interested in money, they just don’t like to fight.
Pretty much. It’s almost a rule that Humans must be depicted as being better than other species. But if they were clearly better, there’s no conflict. So we take our lessons from other animals. Most specialize, while humans attempt to do it all. For example, we can’t run as fast as a cheetah. SO we built vehicles that can out run them. We can’t fly? We figure out a way. We not only learn to survive, we learn to try to be better. We’re always the supposed underdogs who turn out to be better than everyone else in the end.
Errr, you’re kidding right? You can’t possibly believe what you wrote there. Vulcans are barely 3 times stronger than the average human, klingons are as strong as a fit human. 6 - 10 times stronger means the average earth gorilla which is not possible at all.
I’ve been watching star trek for more than a decade so im pretty sure of what im saying. So again:
Vulcans are the strongest of the three, they got superior strength and normal endurance, they got better reflexes than humans and klingons but their bodies are less resilient.
Klingons have a complex anatomy. They got multiple redundancies and can usually withstand injuries better than a lot of other species. They’re MUCH weaker than vulcans and a bit stronger than humans due to their warrior lifestyle and diet. Doctor Phlox said that klingon food has a high amount of proteins and an augment klingon stated that humans are weak cause they don’t eat their food alive. Still this is not the true reason of course, but part of it. What im trying to say is that naturally, both species have similar strength
Humans are weaker than vulcans and generally a little weaker than the average klingon, but have better long term endurance, and can adapt in many different enviroments. It also seems that humans have much more agility. Imagine a klingon / vulcan attempting to learn Capoeira or other earth martial arts, their body are probably too fixed or heavy to perform such a thing.
Note: Agility doesn’t mean speed at running or stuff like that , I mean it more like “flexibility”.
if we want to take into consideration some episodes… I remember that in several occasions humans managed to defeat klingons and vulcans in hand to hand combat. Sisko and Archer are specialists. Sisko can even match Jem’hadar soldiers without many troubles. About klingons… they always act like tough guys but they often get their butt kicked.
“This Side of Paradise”. “Paradise Syndrome” was the one where Kirk joins the American Indian tribe & gets married.
And I think he used Spock because Scotty would just have complained he dinna ken build such a thing, and given that this was a first season episode, Uhura couldn’t do much beyond opening hailing frequencies.
A whole decade? Can we kiss your feet? There are people in this thread who’ve been watching 3-4 times as long as that, pally.
Oh, I think Uhura was always a techie. But I’ll let the spirt of pepperlandgirl
fill me on this fanwank, and say that Kirk made his choice because he and Spock were soulmates. He knew exactly what to say to fill Spockwith rage, whereas he did not know Uhura and Scott nearly as well. Also, I don’t think Spock would have gotten so angry if it had been anyone but Kirk saying those things.
Better than 35 years in my case (I say in horror).
Back in the original series Spock got blinded for awhile (thanks to McCoy’s screw up). The problem fixed itself because Vulcans had an extra lens or something in their eye. I don’t recall the exact technobabble. Anyhow, Vulcans had some protection against intense light.
Did they ever bring this up in Enterprise? I didn’t watch all that series. I know Enterprise added a lot to the Vulcan canon.
It was a third eyelid, which had evolved to deal with Vulcan’s insanely bright sun. They had closed when the light was shone at him, and reopened some time later.
Pissing off Scotty would be trivial - just compare the Enterprise to a garbage scow. And he is a Scotsman, who aren’t particularly well known for their even temper - hell, “like filling a Scotsman with rage” could replace “like taking candy from a baby” as the adage for a trivial task.
First of all my post wasn’t meant to be aggressive or anything since i just registered only to reply on this particular topic, so chill the fuck out.
Four times? mhhh, well how do they say? That quantity is not as important as quality? Moreover, judging by the things i read in this topic it doesn’t seem there are people who have been watching it that long.
And a decade is the longest i could ever have watched it since I’m pretty young (yeah, spare me the shit “oh it’s obvious” since I’m not THAT young).
There are “weird” and unusual episodes where you see vulcans doing weird stuff like bending pipes or things like that. Don’t take every single event as the only truth since there will always be several others which deny that.
Tsk, again, like i didn’t suspect that someone was going to come out with the thing “I’ve been watching it for 40 years” or something like that. Am i supposed to be impressed?
But I’m not here to start a flame war, take what i said as valuable info or carry on and don’t care, I surely won’t. I’m not here for trolling, after all
I didn’t quote anything (for do-not-care purposes :P) since I’m pretty sure everyone knows which part of my post is referred to whom.
