I am appalled

[Czarcasm]

@Mtgman

Had the email picunurse mistakenly received been followed, say an hour later, by another wherein Twickster, still unaware of the additional cc, apologized to the other mod for the snarkiness and explained it as a result of her mood for the day, I’d be right there with you. If something came out wrong, or you were uncouth due to temporary circumstances, the right thing to do is to proactively make an apology to anyone affected. In this case, Twickster thought she had sent a snarky comment to a fellow mod, so the comment about having a bad day should have been sent to the fellow mod, unasked for. The fact that picunurse was an unknown participant in the conversation should not have altered this pattern of behavior. A follow-up which said something like “[fellow moderator], I shouldn’t have said that about picunurse, I can only beg forgiveness and explain that it’s been a really crappy day. Thanks again for passing the report on to me, I’ve taken care of it.” This preserves the relationship with the fellow moderator, who doesn’t want to be a source of stress by trying to help out and redirecting reports, and is the right thing to do with regards to a remark made out of frustration. If you have a genuine issue with someone’s reporting of threads or other attempts to assist in keeping the community running smoothly, then approach them with it openly instead of snarking about it behind their back. They’d probably be happy to receive some guidance on what is move-worthy and what isn’t.

The apology coming only after the revelation of picunurse’s participation in the correspondence makes it unclear if the motivation was remorse or face-saving. The former deserves consideration and sympathy, the latter deserves derision and apathy.

Enjoy,
Steven

Noting that we have no idea what has been said on the matter between her and the other mods or when it might have been said.

[CarnalK]

@Czarcasm

Then I am glad that we have different definitions of “fun”.

Then don’t do it for fun. Do it to prove that you don’t agree with every mod decision and only gave up your modship so you can finally lash back at all us whiners.

[MsWhatsit]

@Joey_P

I’m Italian with an Italian father and Italian Grandparents, I grew up working in my dad’s store surrounded by Italian customers…I’ve never heard it.
I don’t know the phrase, but Googling “blind pig looking for acorns.” yields three results. One of them being this thread. Do you know how hard it is to get three results on Google?
What’s the exact phrase?

A little further Googling reveals that this is one of those expressions that varies a lot. I did a search on “blind pig expression” and found some people thinking that blind pigs find chestnuts occasionally, some people with blind pigs finding truffles, and then the occasional blind pig finding an acorn.

In their defense, the pigs are blind, so you can’t really expect them to be precise.

[Giraffe]

I’m not going to crucify twickster for bitching about a poster to the other mods over the email loop. Mods need to vent occasionally about posters who annoy the fuck out of them, and most mods have done it, myself included.

What bothers me about this is the attitude behind it. This isn’t “picunurse is on my ass again for asking people not to call each other whorebags in MPSIMS, what is his frickin’ problem?” This is “hey look, that tard finally reported a post correctly for once!” It feels like a totally unnecessary scornful slam that shows a fundamental disdain for the posters and the position.

Reported posts make the mods’ jobs here a hundred times easier. The text of the reported post form explicitly asks people to report anything that might benefit from a mod taking a look. To have a mod reveal a contemptuous attitude toward posters who would dare waste her time by calling her attention to things that may not require action is not just rude, it’s incredibly counterproductive.

And seriously, picunurse? Really? I’m honestly trying to imagine a less suitable target to crap on and not coming up with one. That twickster would lash out at such a nice poster in the course of routine moderation is a sign that this job is really not for her.

[silenus]

@Czarcasm

It’s a very common phrase, and all it means is (rough description)that someone who does something over and over again is bound to get it right eventually. I think it’s an old Italian saying, but I could be mistaken.

I would have said Old Southern, because my family has been using that phrase for generations.

[Czarcasm]

@Joey_P

I’m Italian with an Italian father and Italian Grandparents, I grew up working in my dad’s store surrounded by Italian customers…I’ve never heard it.
I don’t know the phrase, but Googling “blind pig looking for acorns.” yields three results. One of them being this thread. Do you know how hard it is to get three results on Google?
What’s the exact phrase?

I Googled “even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while” origin" and got 14,200 hits. Without “origin” added to the search, I got 90,100 hits. How very strange our different results.

[Czarcasm]

@silenus

I would have said Old Southern, because my family has been using that phrase for generations.

Apparently another version has Appalachian roots. They all mean generally the same thing, though.

[CarnalK]

@Czarcasm

I Googled “even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while” origin" and got 14,200 hits. Without “origin” added to the search, I got 90,100 hits. How very strange our different results.

I hear if you type in different words, you sometimes get different search results. Perhaps that’s the case here?

[MsWhatsit]

@CarnalK

I hear if you type in different words, you sometimes get different search results. Perhaps that’s the case here?

Words go in, results come out. You can’t explain that!

[kushiel]

Man, if this is what twickster says about the nice posters over here, I wonder about the other board…

[Joey_P]

@Czarcasm

I Googled “even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while” origin" and got 14,200 hits. Without “origin” added to the search, I got 90,100 hits. How very strange our different results.

Like I said, I didn’t know the exact phrase (or variants of it) since I’ve never heard it and I didn’t really feel like spending a whole lot of time trying to figure it out…so I just used the one in the OP. I’m not here to defend Twix.

ETA 14,200 hits on Google is still a pretty low number…Even 90,100 is pretty low.
Googling Blind Pigs, which seems to have nothing to do with the expression brings back over 14 million hits.

[John_Mace]

@Czarcasm

I Googled “even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while” origin" and got 14,200 hits. Without “origin” added to the search, I got 90,100 hits. How very strange our different results.

I googled “blind pig looking for acorns” (in quotes), per what the poster said he googled, and I got 3 hits, one being this thread.

[Czarcasm]

@CarnalK

Then don’t do it for fun. Do it to prove that you don’t agree with every mod decision and only gave up your modship so you can finally lash back at all us whiners.

You wish me to reveal personal conversations and disagreements with and about other moderators just to prove some nebulous point to you? You can make whatever unfounded assumptions you want as to why I retired as monitor, but personal honor and sense of decorum dictate that I not play along with your prurient desires.

[Mtgman]

@Czarcasm

Noting that we have no idea what has been said on the matter between her and the other mods or when it might have been said.

True. I’m assuming that a remorseful Twickster would have used the reply-all to send out a proactive apology. If one has sent a message which they later come to regret, the reasonable course of action is to send a retraction to all the affected parties. If Twickster was stricken with an attack of conscience after sending the snark and composed a retraction/apology, and then edited the recipient list to remove picunurse and leave on her fellow mods, we’d have no way of knowing this had occurred. The other involved mods haven’t shared details of their correspondence from the day.

If that was, in fact, the chain of events, I fail to see how it would be exculpatory however. Saying something inappropriate about a person in mixed company and then issuing an apology to everyone but the target of the insult doesn’t seem to be the action of someone who regrets the insult.

Enjoy,
Steven

[Drunky_Smurf]

@Mtgman

The apology coming only after the revelation of picunurse’s participation in the correspondence makes it unclear if the motivation was remorse or face-saving. The former deserves consideration and sympathy, the latter deserves derision and apathy.

Enjoy,
Steven

Twickster herself told us the motivation for the apology was face-saving. She said in her first post in this thread:

And here is the copy of the email I sent this morning, when I discovered what I’d done:

It was only after she realized that picunurse had been cc’d that she sent out an apology. If picunurse had not been cc’d then there never would have been an apology.

[srzss05]

@Czarcasm

I Googled “even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while” origin" and got 14,200 hits. Without “origin” added to the search, I got 90,100 hits. How very strange our different results.

I got 221,000 hits, though some had “once in a while” at the beginning rather than at the end, so even using the exact phrase Google is giving different results for different people.

[CarnalK]

@Czarcasm

You wish me to reveal personal conversations and disagreements with and about other moderators just to prove some nebulous point to you? You can make whatever unfounded assumptions you want as to why I retired as monitor, but personal honor and sense of decorum dictate that I not play along with your prurient desires.

I didn’t say anything about personal conversations. And it wouldn’t be just to prove a point to me. I think a great many people believe you retired so you can call people whiners.

[Czarcasm]

@John_Mace

I googled “blind pig looking for acorns” (in quotes), per what the poster said he googled, and I got 3 hits, one being this thread.

Point taken. Different phrasing would tend to yield different results.

[Giraffe]

@Czarcasm

Point taken. Different phrasing would tend to yield different results.

The important thing is that we’ve resolved the most important part of the issue: how common the insulting phrase twickster used was.

[Czarcasm]

@CarnalK

I didn’t say anything about personal conversations. And it wouldn’t be just to prove a point to me. I think a great many people believe you retired so you can call people whiners.

I must have missed that poll. Sorry.