That’s just nonsense. I am saying that a silver lining to Trump’s election is that he will staff the government with a unique band of corrupt weirdos who are both utterly incompetent and completely uninterested in governing. As a result, he will accelerate the polarization and disintegration of America.
I am saying that it is better for humanity for America to collapse quickly than for it to slowly die because a quick collapse presents less opportunity for America to do more harm.
And I ask again, what do you expect to rise from the ashes of the collapse of the U.S. IN the U.S. Or whatever you think it will be called.
I somehow get the impression that you didn’t even read my post, where I pointed out that that the collapse would NOT be quick (or if you did, you didn’t bother taking any time to rebut it). Please do at least one of those things.
Many Americans do not think the Biden administration was successful. There was high inflation. While inflation has declined, prices have not, and most Americans are still earning pay checks that bought less than when Trump was president.
In addition, two nasty wars have started.
I think the inflation and the wars would have happened under Trump, but presidents are blamed for what happened during their terms, even when they are not responsible.
My Trump Derangement Syndrome is almost clinical, but I think I have some understand of how other people are feeling about things. The poorly educated (and poorly paid) angry white men Trump pretends to love do not think, they feel.
I don’t care. Did you care what came from the ashes of a collapsed Soviet Union? What mattered was that an aggressive harmful empire had been weakened and is only recently been able to try to exert its power again. Yes Ukraine, Moldova, and Georgia are all suffering from Russian aggression, but the sphere of Russia’s control has shrunk. They are fighting to regain control of what had been part of their borders. That’s better than exerting control beyond their borders.
kaylasdad99 you keep intentionally missing the part where I say that the collapse of the US may be a silver lining. May means that it is not certain and silver lining means that it is a positive outcome of a bad event. I am not doing anything to bring about the collapse, I am just saying maybe good fucking riddance.
And that’s what so upsetting to some folk, they just can’t handle that there are a lot of people in the world who think that America is a net negative for the world and they cling to the childish belief that if Trump just goes away, everything will be fine. Trump is a symptom of the deep rot in America’s soul, not the cause. He could disappear tomorrow and the country would still be a shit show.
Vibrant and healthy societies don’t elect fascist game show hosts president; they don’t have openly corrupt supreme courts; they don’t regularly have children slaughtered in their classrooms and still refuse to do anything about guns; and they don’t jail huge segments of their society.
And you do volunteer work for the Democratic Party?
You have been asked several times what good could come from a rapid collapse of the U.S. with Trump in charge, and the best you’ve got is “I don’t care”?
If people had cared what came from the ashes of a collapsed German Empire, perhaps the 1940s would have been very different.
So a complete and total non answer.
Being a nihilist like you are doesn’t always work out in the end.
Actually I (and probably most western military personnel) was very concerned about a post-Gorbachev, post-USSR Russia. In fact, at that time, before that stupid coup attempt against Gorbachev, then Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze "…said then that the Soviet Union faced the threat of dictatorship–a warning that appeared prophetic when Communist hard-liners staged an abortive coup…"1.
After that coup attempt Boris Yeltsin took power and then selected some previously unheard of KGB officer named Vladimir Putin as his successor.
I get the feeling and need for “oh FFS let’s tear this all down, start over, and do it properly”. But that could lead to a good 50 or more years of spectacular misery and suffering.
Nope. Not what I said. I was asked what comes from the ashes **for America **and I said I don’t care.
Let’s be honest, the reason you all are so triggered is because this is a board for white Americans and American exceptionalism is the religion of white America. To say that humanity might be better off without America is to speak taboo words here. Never mind that a lot of people all over the world think and say it all the time.
People shit on other nations here on the Dope regularly. The thread about Lebanon not being able to defend itself is filled with dismissive posts about the collapse and suffering of Lebanon with hardly a whiff of how it all came to be in its current state.
But speak the taboo words that America is pretty fucking awful and the Dope freaks the fuck out,
Your pat answer has nothing to do with what people are saying in this thread. Specifics have been given repeatedly about the collapse of this country caused by Trump that you simply refuse to address.
What the fuck do you think is going to happen if Trump takes over, and if he causes that collapse?
Do you think you can handle this without strawmen?
I thought you said it would be a good thing?
Well, I’m still here dreading the election. Obviously way behind the times.
I’m neither “triggered” nor American. But, because of a minor in History, and a career in the military in which I have dealt with American and other NATO counterparts, and because I have been exposed to the Canadian special ops, intelligence and signals intelligence worlds, I have an appreciation for the work that has gone into the making and maintenance of “the west”.
This didn’t happen by accident and, though maybe “fragility” isn’t quite the right word, it can’t be neglected.
So @madmonk28, if your wonderful “let’s blow this up now because fuck-it it’s going down the tubes anyway” scenario happens, then picture a horrific destruction - globally - of what has been a pretty nice life for our species of animal.
Considering America is made of Americans, I think it’s more like the concept that saying you don’t care about America’s collapse is equivalent to saying that you don’t care what happens to the people in the country while it collapses, which some take offense towards.
If you don’t mean that, or if you think that all Americans are complicit in what the country does to the world as a whole, then that at least explains it. But I think your insistence at portraying wide eyed innocence at why anyone is pushing back against you seems a little hard to believe.
That’s a silly argument. Both because many people have already pointed out how disastrous such a collapse is likely to be for the world, and because you are trying to pretend that a desire not to be impoverished, subjugated by fascists or killed is somehow “exceptionalism”. And that it’s the *non-*whites who will get the worst of it.
This is standard “America is the Devil” nonsense, that treats the US as the source of all evil and that any cost is justified to bring it down because without the Devils the world will become a paradise. So who cares if millions or billions die across the world? Acceptable losses for the destruction of the ultimate evil that is America.
@madmonk28, thoughts?
I agree, and I suspect law enforcement is ramping up to address this.
Dude, I specifically mentioned (and dismissed) your apparent attitude that there could be a silver lining.
So, I’d like @madmonk28 to confirm, but i think they are saying that even if the collapse of America sucks for Americans, it might be a net good for the rest of the world. I’m dubious. I think some other empire (China, Russia) will be happy to prop up the despots and corruption in less powerful nations that the US is currently propping up, and that America’s actual allies (most of Western Europe, Japan, a few other places) will be dragged down with America. My guess is that America going down the tubes is just bad, not “bad for Americans”. But i think @madmonk28 disagrees. @madmonk28 , is that your claim?