I am never, ever buying another PC again.

Get Ubuntu. Or Splashtop.

I have windows XP on one desktop, windows 7/Ubuntu on another, and a Mac mini. Also, my iPad runs iOS. Every operating system requires you to learn it’s intricacies. I don’t know anyone who traded in a PC for a Mac, who suddenly became super productive and could do everything they couldn’t do on a PC.

Yeah, I get it. It was a rhetorical question.

The OP has a point. The OS kicks out a cryptic error message that he has to Google in order to figure out. Its par for the course for every problem on a Windows box.

The idea that everyone knows that you have to run Windows Update over-and-over on a fresh install is an example of the OS training the users. There was a time when “everyone” knew to reboot their computer after changing IP address too. It doesn’t mean it is a good experience and beyond reproach.

Clearly you don’t know how to run backup or anti-virus software. Another possibility is frequently visiting porn sites. If you have your disk cloned, nobody can ever attack you successfully no mater what you are running or where you go.

Good luck with the Mac.

And yet another possibility is that he is beating his Wife.

A piece of software written by Apple doesn’t work, and that makes you want to get a mac? Ok…

Oh sure, blame the user, how boring.

how long till this thread devolves into an OS endless debate? (the correct answer is… too late!)

This is why we need to have a death penalty for people who write malware. I’m not even kidding about that. We should make it an extra-legal thing. Y’know, for the fear factor. Get the fucking Mossad throat slitting squad out there and watch the problem fix itself. Fuckin’ maladjusted scriptkiddies. Waste of fucking space.

So what? The truth is often boring.

She should stop visiting porn sites, then. Especially if she’s using IE. :wink:

OK, the Windows Update is finally now giving me the option to download the Service Pack. After about four separate update/restart cycles.

This is an honest question here that I’m asking, not a rhetorical one: Does this stuff happen on Macs? Let me lay it all out in order:

Do Macs get infected with vile fake anti-virus programs that pop up, malware that redirects your browser to bullshit sites, Trojan horses, viruses that make it so that Firefox doesn’t load when you click on it, etc?

If so, when you re-install the system on a Mac, does it then need further updating via an automatic update program? Or is everything you need on the system already?

Do you ever get bizzarro error messages on Macs when you try to install basic programs, consisting of strings of incomprehensible gobbledegook?

By the way: on this computer (desktop) I am running Windows XP and have virtually no problems whatsoever. I have been using XP for years on this machine, and I have had very few issues. Is Windows 7 just more vulnerable to malware and more prone to errors?

In my experience, Win7 is more robust and stable than XP. Susceptibility to malware depends on what malware protection software you use - what were you using, and did you keep it updated? I’ve found that Windows Security Essentials (free from Microsoft) is perfectly sufficient. Avast! and AVG are good too.

As a big-time Mac user, go with yer gut.

Macs have a more expensive entry point, but in the long run, I think the cost is a wash. It’s a fine, fine OS. Just be sure you’ve messed around on a Mac before you dive in. It can do everything a PC can do (including running Windows natively), but be sure the OS is something you think you’ll dig.*

Again, sure, their hardware is more expensive, but it is solid and very well designed. Also, if you own any other Apple devices, the integration is bar none.

Good luck.
*OSX Lion is coming out in July.

(and having had to use work on a PC - both XP & 7, I’ll say I can compare with an IMHO disclaimer, that the PC felt like something built by Fischer Price, and OSX just feels like liquid silk. Again, just my completely biased thoughts)

I dunno about your experience but my dell 1720 laptop has been much more robust in terms of structural integrity than mac laptops. I treat this thing like shit, it’s been dropped, kicked, and covered in flour, cinnamon, and sparkling water and emerged victorious in the 4 years I’ve had it. All of my friends who bought Mac laptops have either had to make very expensive repairs or replace the machine outright since we started in college. So they, at least, paid more upfront and more for maintenance than I have. YMMV.

If he beats his wife with the laptop, maybe the laptop decides to take revenge.

Windows 7 was released in June 2009. The Service Pack was released 18 months later. That means you need to install the stuff that was released in the intervening months. It’s faster & easier if you download & install a few items at a time rather than the whole shebang at once.

FYI - You’re going to need to run Windows Update again after yo install the service pack, to catch the things that have come out since February.

Once you’re all updated, set Windows Update to run automatically and it won’t bother you any more.

And then, for crying in the beer, install Microsoft Security Essentials and set it to run in real time and scan in the background. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/default.aspx

  1. Let’s be clear - the virus you downloaded was installed when that pop-up window appeared and you clicked on it to make it go away. No matter what you click on those pop up windows - even if you think you’re closing it - the virus interprets that click as permission and installs itself. Because you clicked the link (without realizing it) - the computer had allowed the virus to install itself. The crucial distinction is that the link fooled you into clicking on it.

Yes. That can happen on Macs, too. Here’s an article about it from a few weeks ago, about fake Mac Virus protections (MacDefender)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110525/wr_nm/us_apple_security

  1. For future reference, use a browser with a pop up blocker installed. Never click on a window that pops up offereing a virus scan - close the program using ALT+F4 or some such. Modern browsers often have phishing support, too.

Bottomline: Computers aren’t toasters. Don’t expect them to protect you from yourself.

If you reinstall a program from a disk you got two years ago, then yes, you’ll need to run the update program. This is true for every piece of software you own, including iTunes and your OS.

Every error message is incomprehensible if you don’t know what you’re doing.

Let’s be clear about this, too: The source of that error message was Apple. Whoever wrote the Windows version of iTunes you were installing was trying to use a file that had been changed or installed by the Window’s update process, and just assumed you’d have the current version. Apple should have written it to fail gracefully, explaining that you’d need to run Windows Update before proceeding.

Technology is exciting, isn’t it?

This is the best part by far, IMHO.

So Argent Towers is complaining about dealing with operating systems hassles and weirdness, and the recommended solution is to install Linux? Hilarious.

I was a Linux user for years. Then I went to college, and decided that “tinkering with my Linux install” wasn’t a hobby I had time for anymore.

Windows is actually fairly hassle-free at this point, although I prefer a Mac personally.

Linux on a home desktop is fun, until you actually depend on it to get work done. Then, one night at 3 AM, your printer driver starts giving you a weird error. When you post about it online, someone tells you that Linux has excellent hardware support, and you can’t expect it to work perfectly with everything. He then proceeds to list a series of 375 printers, none newer than 2005, that your driver is “known” to work with, and rests his case.

Linux on servers is fantastic, and Linux in commercial environments (where there are a team of people tasked with making sure it works) is tolerable. But for home use, as anything other than an undependable hobby, it sucks.

I’m not sure the OP really sounds like someone who would enjoy Linux (you need a degree of patience that rivals Mother Earth’s for that ;)).

Although keep in mind under all the shiny parts a Mac is just a brand-name, boutique PC. If you really like Mac OS then I suggest going for a Hackintosh.

Yes, you can (sort of).

The first link goes to the iPhone version; the second link goes to a web version, and the third link goes to instructions for downloading and installing Doom on various versions of Mac OS.