Or you can simply uncheck the Automatically parse URLs: button below the reply section.
See: http://www.wpni.com
It shouldn’t be a hypertext link.
…D’OH!!, I mean “Statistically”,dagnabbit!
In the context of the US, “white pride” is racist while the others are not because the others have been oppressed minorities and the oppressors have been predominently white. Part of the affects of oppression is is that the oppressed group is viewed negatively by the society as a whole and absorbs some of this self hate. Ethnic pride then is objectively an attempt by oppressed peoples to reverse the negative image that they have in society as a whole and in their own minds.
White people, on the other hand, have no such negative stereotypes hanging like millstones around their necks. The positive attributes of society are attributed to their existance. Nevertheless, capitalism does crap on a section of white people also, so to keep them from knowing who the real enemy is, they are encouraged to think that society is shitting on white people while favoring minorities. Reactionary political forces encourage them to feel “white pride” and form organizations around this. These are invariably extreme right wing. They tend toward fascism. These organizations are then used to reverse the gains of oppressed people and the entire progressive movement, i.e., labor, enviromental, women,and gays.
Hmm, UncleBeer. So you have to discern the “intent” of the poster… What if it is a slightly pregnant link?
JK
I think it is a wonderful testament to these boards, their administrators and mods, and the members, that this neaderthal’s OP has morphed into an intelligent discussion.
Before I lock this up, can somebody please expand on writefetus’s post with the “race is an artificial construct” bit? I’d do it myself, but I don’t have time today (work + unusually heavy moderating load, as you see).
There’s no ‘white’ stereotype per se but plenty of ethnic groups that come under the umbrella of ‘white’ (like the Irish, Italians, and Poles) do have stereotypes associated with them.
Weeeeellllll, if we can determine “intent” on the part of voters, from only a simple punched hole or two, we certainly should be able to determine intent from an entire paragraph. Right?
Whoops! I really don’t wanna start that “debate” again. And so much for the “intelligent” discussion.
I second what Dinsdale said. We rock.
I was going to respond to manhattan’s request by saying that people have different appearances due to the fluky interaction of a few trivial and largely superficial divergences in the genes of ancestors separated by the vagaries of geography, but re-reading writefetus’s post, it doesn’t seem much of an expansion.
On race as an artificial concept - there’s a fair amount of sentiment today for race not being a useful way to categorize human beings, since it depends on a few key traits and ignores others. Note that this is not a political or social statement about it being “wrong” to lump humanity into categories. In fact for purposes of studying human origins and development, it’s obviously useful to do so. It’s a statement that the traditional racial categories don’t really measure much of anything for scientific purposes.
I’m surprised that the figure on Black Americans is as low as 80% having some white ancestry, actually. If you just compare the appearance of most African Americans to people drawn from an African population, you will note a VERY large infusion of distinctly “European” features. However, I’m willing to accept writefetus’s figures as stemming from a legitimate source.
Unclebeer,
Fighting ignorance includes being aware of what’s going on around you. It’s important to know what bad stuff is going on to be able to fight it.
On the other hand, RDawg raises a very good point. Why is racism (or “cultural pride”) excused when it comes from a “recognized minority” but not from a white person?
I’ve honestly never heard a Black person say “I’m proud to be black, but I recognize and empower the rich cultural heritage that white people have as well, even though I prefer mine.” They are much more likely to say something along the lines of “damn I’m glad I’m not white because then I couldn’t sing, dance, or play sports, and I’d have a small dick.”
If somebody posted a “black pride” or “chicano power” thread with links to the NAACP or LULAC, would Lynn be so quick to jump on the poster and edit out the racist links? I really doubt it.
But we have come to the point that the public at large thinks racism by minorities is ok, because it takes “more than a few generations to recover from the damage done by hundreds of years of slavery/war/persecution/whatever.”
I say bullshit to that. I am neither affected by, nor recovering from, anything that was done to my ancestors. I react to what happens to ME. There is not a black person alive today who was a slave. There is not an indian* alive who had his land stolen from him by the white man or was forced to live on a reservation. So nobody is “suffering” or “recovering” from those things–it’s all a heap of garbage fostered by our “Victim” society to allow the “victims” to avoid taking responsibility for their situations. If you don’t want to live in poverty, GET A JOB. I got a pretty good one without a college degree and with a Spanish last name, so there’s no reason why anybody else can’t.
I detest racism in all its forms, but White-To-Somebody-Else racism is not any worse than Black-To-White or Latino-To-Chinese racism. They’re all equally bad.
So why do we excuse it?
*[sub]I despise the word “native american” because it’s discriminatory. My brother is a native american because he was born a citizen on American soil. I’m not because although I was born a citizen, I was born on a US army base in Germany. But neither of us is Indian. Why is a Navajo or an Apache any more “Native” than the rest of my family? Answer: They ain’t.[/sub]
I should have learned by now to read the entire thread before posting a reply. I notice Tom already covered my first point. heh.
However, Manny, you perfectly illustrated my main point:
Rather than chastising writefetus for his improper language and confrontational tone, you asked for somebody to expound on his post.
I know this board is your playground and it’s private property, so freedom of speech doesnt’s apply here. That’s great and I have no complaint about it. I’ve even tipped a few beers with you at the dopefests, and I think you’re a good guy and a fair (meaning equitable, not meaning mediocre) moderator. So how come the OP was hastily edited and warned/threatened, when all he said was that he’s proud to be white (with a link to an admittedly objectionable site whose front page echoed his post), BUT writefetus made a personal attack on a poster and it passed right by not only two moderators, but also Lynn the administrator?
Could it be because the personal attack was directed at somebody we all have decided was a white racist?
Excellent point. Lynn Bodoni abused her moderator’s powers.
If she really doesn’t want links to hate groups posted on the SDMB, then she should delete each and every link to a “black power” or “chicano pride” website and ban all of the people who posted the links, just like she did to R_Dawg. Please note that I’m not saying that I agree with what R_Dawg said, just that the rules are being imposed in an arbitrary and politically-motivated manner.
Lynn Bodoni, you would make an excellent Florida election official :o
Not that I’m a moderator or anything, but aren’t complaints about moderator actions supposed to go in the BBQ pit?
I happen to be white, but I’m certainly not “proud” of it.
The only things I am proud of are my personal accomplishments.
I had nothing to do with being white. Being white is not a personal accomplishment, therefore I’m not “proud” of it.
After David B and Gaudere warned half the valued, long-term members of this message board about insults to that circumcision guy (Jack something), you should know that that is nothing more than a lie.
Candidly, I missed it. That’s all. So sue me for not catching every freaking word in every freaking thread every freaking day.
That said, it is against our rules to level insults at fellow members in General Questions. At the time the insult was leveled, the OP was not a fellow member; he had been banned for violating our rules.
I hadn’t realized how young you are, Joe_Cool.
I have seen drinking fountains and doorways labelled “colored” and “whites only.”
I know people (still alive) who were rounded up during the great Mississippi flood of 1923(?) and forced to build dikes for the white sections of town while they were not even allowed to remove their own possessions from their houses before they were inundated.
I once rented an apartment and, when I was moving out, the landlord asked if I knew any whites who might be interested in it because she didn’t want to rent to “coloreds”. (I had not known of their color bar when I moved in because I passed it.)
I have worked with guys who bragged about the ways they previously used to coerce black co-workers into turning down foremen positions–then disparaged the “coloreds” for not being willing to accept responsibility.
If you think that slavery ended with the 13th/15th Amendments, I can assure you that oppression did not.
(And if you can equate the NAACP and LULAC to Stormfront, then I suggest that your powers of observation need some work. I can not remember finding any information on NAACP literature that claims that whites are less human than blacks. There is ample evidence of that trash on Stormfront.)
But this discussion is being carried out here, in General Questions. The banning was here, and the hypocritical moderators and adminitrators are defending themselves here.
For the record, I would not say that I’m proud to be white, but I’m not the least bit ashamed of my heritage either. If someone can’t tell the difference between this and racism, then they’re the one with problems.
if you’ve taken stock of your attributes and decided that all you have to be proud of is that you’re white, then you have some serious growing up to do. by the time you become an adult you should develop a sense of respect and consideration for others and hopefully accomplish something on your own you can take pride in. i consider my list of accomplishments and successes pretty modest compared to some, but i can’t ever remember being so bereft of self worth that i had to fall back on ‘proud to be white’.
Please find a link on this message board to a site that claims that whites are less human than others or withdraw this baseless charge.
Thank you.
WOW. my post got taken way out of context and blown WAY out of proportion.
I was not commenting on the hypocrisy of our moderators, but the hypocrisy of society. I don’t think all the attacks are necessary, and want to make it clear that it was not my intent.
Manhattan,
it wasn’t a lie, just a misinformed observation. Sincere apologies.
Tomndebb,
You’re right. I’m young enough never to have never seen oppression or segregation like you described. Granted I’m from an area that is predominantly non-white, too. But I have seen a great deal of racism directed at whites in my lifetime.
Affirmative Action:
Companies are forced by law into discriminatory hiring practices. They are required to show preferential treatment to certain people (anybody who is not white) on no basis other than race.
Political Correctness:
Nobody is even allowed to speak. We’re forced to change the English language and call people “African-American”, “Hispanic-American”, “Asian-American”, etc even if they’ve never been to Africa or Spain or Asia.
Black comedy: Def Jam wouldn’t even exist if it wasn’t for mocking white people.
The L.A. Riot: It had nothing to do with Justice. In fact, Reginald Denny was beaten nearly to death, just for being white. But all the self-righteous people who are PC’ly ashamed of being white were really quick to say “wow, we’d better fix ourselves, if they had just found those cops guilty like we all know they were, those poor black people would have never felt the need to riot.”
Nation of Islam, Nation of Israel (I think that’s their name): the army of black men with the huge P.A. system in Times Square, who claim to be the lost tribes of Israel. They shout black supremacy and how Jesus is coming back to destroy the white man…
shall I continue? WB television, Spike Lee movies, etc. The racism is all right there. I don’t condone the resurgence in white racism, but I can sure understand why it’s surging again. It’s a defensive overreaction. White people feel like they’re under attack and are hitting back.
It’s gone just like the environment. So many reasonable and correct changes have been made, the world is becoming a better place because of it, and the activists still aren’t happy. Now that all the reasonable steps have been (are being) taken, now we move on to the unreasonable ones, because activists cannot coexist with peace.
I’ll ramble more later.