White people suck

And I realize I’m making as big a generalization as what I’m railing against here. So sue me, I wanna rant.

I’ve talked about this before.
I’ve been packing tonight because we’re moving at the end of the month. I’ve been packing up my workshop, and it’s hotter then hell down in the basement. A little over an hour ago, I decided to go out and have a beer because I was tired and hot and I needed a break. I went to my local pub and had a couple of beers, socialized and mostly relaxed in the powerful AC that the bar has going. As I was leaving, I stepped out the door into a cloud of smoke. Smokers were poisoning themselves outside, as the law demands. I saw a couple of people I didn’t know, Craig, a regular at the bar who is a chef, and Chi, a very dark skinned African emigrant to America who comes by time to time. Chi looked a little shaky as he smoked, and I noticed that he had a medical wristband on.

“What happened man?” I asked him. He told me that he had been in a car accident a couple hours earlier. Someone had run a red light on Perring Parkway and T-boned him. He was OK, but his Lexus was totaled. He was decompressing with a few drinks. I emphasized with him, we talked about being in car wrecks, and mostly we were both glad that he had escaped unscathed.

While we were talking, Craig was having a conversation with one of the guys I didn’t know. IDK what led up to it, but Craig pulled out his cell phone and started paging through his numbers. After a moment he said “I don’t have that nigger’s phone number”.

Excuse me?

Now understand that Craig and his friend were having a separate conversation from Chi and I. That’s understandable. We were not eavesdropping on their conversation either. Also, Craig was NOT using the word “nigger” the joking way good friends might, or the way blacks use it amongst themselves. By the same token, he wasn’t using it in a blatantly pejoratively manner, i.e. “That fucking nigger stole my wallet”. Still, it was clear that he considered “nigger” as a less than positive term. I’m explaining this badly, but I hope most of you can understand. Craig casually called someone a nigger in front of a black man.

I looked at Chi; he seemed to ignore it(actually, he was raising above it). We finished our conversation and he went back into the bar. I HAD been heading to my car, but I felt I had to follow him. I caught him in the vestibule between the two doors.

“Listen man, on behalf of all of those people who share my…” I ran my hand along my other arm.

“Complexion?”

“Yea, I’m sorry about that”

He laughed. " I don’t worry about it, but thank you for your concern" (Chi is obviously a much better man than I am) He went on: “If it had been my friend there”-he pointed at another black man in the group he was with- “he would have gotten upset, but I just let it roll off my back”

I replied “Still, it was offensive…”

He agreed, and we both said the same thing simultaneously: “It says more about him then me (you)”

We laughed, slapped backs, and parted, me to my car and him back to his friends.

Still. In the aftermath of what was nothing more than an ignorant racist speaking out, I personally am filled with anger.

#1: If you are white and you use the term “nigger”, you are an idiot. I will always think you are an idiot, and I will personally shun you because you have revealed your true colors. There is no negotiating on this subject, I don’t care if you saved my child from a man eating lion, you are an idiot.

#2: If you are a white man and you use the term “nigger” in front of a black man, you are not just an idiot, you are a stupid idiot, on par with someone who pees into an active light socket. What in the living fuck were you thinking???!!?

Nothing happened. Chi was amazingly open minded and Craig was still an incredible asshole.

Still, sometimes I hate being white. White people often do some amazingly stupid shit, (realizing again that I’m making as big a generalization as what I’m railing against.)

Fuck

:frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

Why not just pit the guy that made the racist remark? By generalizing you are being just as bad as him.

I’m white and not prone to making racist remarks and am at least partly offended by your statement pitting all white people. Try making a remark like that about any other ethnic group and see the reaction you get.

Besides it’s not just white people who have the capacity for racism, in my time I’ve heard and seen people of almost every background make some kind of remark against someone form a different background, it seems to be inherent in the human condition. So if you want to pit in a general way pit the whole human race.

I notice from your OP that you are white also, so unless you are prone to racism why include yourself? Craig should be the target of your anger.

So does everybody.

Kindly leave out those of us who don’t do this particular bit of amazingly stupid (stuff). I do enough stupid things on my own, without taking the blame for some other idiot.

That’s a bit of a broad brush, don’t you think?

:wink:

Which part of “I realize I’m making as big a generalization as what I’m railing against here. So sue me, I wanna rant.”

Did you guys miss?

Christ. See? We white people are stupid too.

They didn’t miss it. They resent it and are letting you know.

Oh, boy, I bet this’ll end nicely.

Look, folks, **Weirddave ** is pissed (and legitimately so), and he’s ranting. Besides, he’s already admitted that he realizes that he’s painting with a broad brush, so I think we can cut him *some * slack here.

And though I can’t speak for him, I seriously doubt that he’s pitting all white people (and he shouldn’t). Also, what may be partly fueling his anger are the times he’s witnessed White folks make blatantly racist remarks when there weren’t any visibly Black people around. Situations that many White folks (including Dopers), I imagine, have been in.

So yeah, he’s pissed, and he’s right to be pissed.

I’m a Black guy, Weirddave, and though I wasn’t there, I appreciate your gesture to Chi, and I’m sure he did, too. I do think, however, that you should’ve approched Craig and told him in no uncertain terms that that shit wasn’t cool, but having had to do the same to people who’ve required correction, I know how any number of factors can influence one’s decision to either act or not act in the moment. Still, these things must be done so that racists and other bigots don’t get the luxury of thinking that because you look like them, they can express their bigotry with impunity.

And I totally understand your statement about sometimes hating being White, because I’ve sometimes felt that way* (even though I know it’s completely illogical) when other Blacks have done stupid/bigoted/whatever shit.
*Okay, not “hated” being Black, but rather having felt a sense of shame at having to share that trait with the miscreant in question.

You’d think I would’ve caught this on edit. Obviously, it should read “approached”.

My apologies to the bruthas and sistahs in Dopeland. :wink:

Heh.

“Fuck.”

“NO SHIT, DUDE!!! FUCK!!!”

See, I think the negativity about being painted with the broad brush is because of the annoyance at it happening a lot, from either side - either the assumption from another group that you’ll be biased towards them, or from the racist that since you share a skin tone/heritage that you also share the racist attitudes. For example, when Sen. Obama was running for his seat in the US senate, my (white) husband heard from at least one white coworker in a one-on-one conversation about how he wasn’t “gonna vote for no nigger.” (Naturally this was before the IL GOP put Alan Keyes against him. I assume the racists voted for some white 3rd party candidate or skipped that category.) My husband’s reaction was why would the idiot think he shared racist opinions just because they share skin color?

So the posts were the same kind of reaction, a “don’t blame me for that shit” knee-jerk. I’m sure plenty of biased people of other races do similarly offensive stuff, so saying “(my) people suck” isn’t really productive. Weirddave admitted he was generalizing but, it’s kind of like saying “I don’t mean to be rude, but…” cause you’re still doing it, and that’s going to be irritating to some.

And yeah, Weirddave, bigots suck and can be embarrassing when you feel like you’re being soiled by their actions. Sorry you had to deal with that.

Well, you do get more readers this way than if you titled your post “This jerk at the bar I go to sucks”.

But yeah, you would have racked up a lot more “White Man’s Burden” points if you’d told off Craig to his face. Not always easy to do in public, but the time to address that crap is when it happens.

I get this a bit myself. Another white guy will give me a racist comment thinking I will support it, and… well, usually I do to an extent. That is, I just say “yeah” and I keep walking. I inevitably feel guilty about it later and think I should have called him a racist arsehole, but usually the guy is a stranger, and I just know that the risk of an altercation is not worth the tiny, tiny chance that I’ll stop him being a racist arsehole in future. It’s a tough call.

Idiot indeed. Every white person with half a brain knows you’re supposed to glance around furtively and then mutter the word “nigger” through your teeth at half-volume.

Pasty white person checking in to say I hear what you’re saying dave and I feel your pain. Good on Chi for being the better person and you for not escalating the matter that would’ve been nothing more than wasted on an idiot.

And you know who pisses me off? Mammals. Fuck mammals.

Always getting in my business all the time.

Fuck those bastards.

My brother was here visiting a couple weeks back, we’re from Spain. Since he’d just had his spoken English test and he expected to fail it (needing a september “retake”), we spoke in English whenever we remembered to.

I had to tell him not to use “nigger;” he did it once, I corrected him, he did it again a short time later and I told him to cut it out. “OK,” he says, “I see it’s clearly upsetting you and when you tell me it can get me in deep shit I’m sure you’re serious, but it’s the word my teacher uses and told us to use.”

“Your teacher is an idiot bitch whose brain is even drier than her cunt, then. If that’s the expression you need to use in order to pass the exam, by all means do, but this is a lot worse than failing someone for using ‘best regards’ where the model in the book says ‘regards.’ Nobody is going to take offense at having their regards upgraded.”

(and yes, there had been a part of the written exam where bro hadn’t gotten a single point out of a letter-writing exercise for using ‘best regards’ instead of plain ones. That’s another rant, tho)

Look, you’re white, therefore you suck. Make the necessary changes and move on.

And don’t even get me started on multi-celled organisms…

I’m sorry… I try to tan, but it’s this damn Irish-German heritage. :smiley:

No, he said that the sherriff is near.