I am so fucking tired of extremism.

Typical Tory response. :wink:

First of all I’ll add my “me too”

Secondly, I’ll add - “won’t someone think about the toothbrush?”

::D& seriously R::

(cos spoofe is now gonna kill me)

Wash your mouth, out, motherfucker.

I’m tired of people telling me that I’m an extremist because anyone who isn’t hardline middle of the road obviously has to be.

According to the OP, I’m an extremist because I absolutely do think it’s a major inconvenience to me if I have to wait 5 days and make another 100 mile round trip to the gun shop to pick up something they knew I was legally able to buy the first time I was there.

Oh no, I’m an extremist. Yeah, I should be killed. Tolerance. Ain’t it wonderful.

Thanks, catsix, for that excellent example of the mentality the OP is decrying.

Ankh Too’s statement: “I’m tired of NRA members calling me a leftist liberal elitist because I think that making someone wait 5 days and have a background check isn’t a huge burden in the purchase of a device that was designed to kill someone.”

Your conclusion: “(S)he just called me an extremist!”

Your logic underlying the conclusion: “Uhh… well if someone doesn’t hate the waiting period but then they deny that makes 'em a commie pinko, then… um… …(s)he just called me an extremist!”

Actually, you should be tutored in critical thinking and exposed to competing ideas. IMHO, of course.

I’m assuming you’ve based that assessment on having benefited from tolerance at one time or another, rather than on having exhibited it.

But yes, it is wonderful.

If you’re so damn tired then take a nap! :smiley:

But seriously, folks…

“Moderation in all things, including moderation.”

Complication is is a measure one applies from one’s ideology, I think. From a winger’s perspective, applying some gun control but keeping them available for public conspumption is obviously more complicated than a complete ban or complete freedom. No issue is complicated at all, it is the way an issue is dealt with from one’s perspective that measures a level of complication. Perhaps my poor phrasing is to blame there.

The issue is “guns.” Complication has no meaning on issues, only on stands on takes on issues. But, and I think this is logically obvious by inspection, any black and white stand is less complicated than any grey stand. Some moderates like to attack wingers by saying that the wingers are ignoring certain crucial aspects of an issue to achieve their ideological purity, as if ideology is necessarily an empirical proposition. And if one of these (not-so reasonable) moderates finds that the ideology should come first, then anyone not agreeing with their side is intentionally ignoring data, views, etc, in an effort to maintain this ideological purity.

Perhaps I am simply not being clear, or perhaps I am barking up the wrong tree. Whether winger, moderate, or lunatic, everyone thinks they see the most obvious or most reasonable stand on an issue. But some moderates seem to feel that just because they are not wingers they must, as a direct consequence, be more reasonable. (I don’t feel the OP is in this camp, FTR)

I don’t know. Discussions about political alignment always rub me the wrong way.