That it was the Excelsior, which they were not on, not the Enterprise, on which they were, that had the space fart detection equipment.
Aha! Much appreciated!
Nitpick:
It’s Ceti Alpha V/VI. From the constellation Cetus, the sea monster or the whale. Compare “cetacean.”
Chekov kept Khan waiting to use a head. When Chekov finally emerged, Khan said, “I shall never forget you!”
I don’t really think this is a problem. In fiction, we shouldn’t expect to be shown every single thing. If Chekov and Khan say knew each other from “Space Seed,” then they must have met then. Period.
Nitpick: It should actually be Alpha Ceti V/VI. Just like Regulus is Alpha Leonis, Betelgeuse is Alpha Orionis, Antares is Alpha Scorpii, and so on.
Interestingly, Alpha Ceti is not the brightest star in the constellation Cetus, for reasons I do not understand:
… Or the guy who wrote the script didn’t do his homework. I think this is more likely. :smack:
They probably just wanted to make sure it was Chekov who was tortured, since he can scream like nobody else! :eek:
He might have done his homework, or he might not have. But it’s irrelevant. In fiction, the failure to see something happen doesn’t contradict a later description of that thing happening. There’s absolutely no contradiction within the bounds of the fictional work that requires explanation.
It’s simply not the case that Walter Koenig’s not being in the cast during “Space Seed” nor Chekov’s not appearing in that episode implies that Chekov the character was not on the Enterprise and did not meet Khan. That’s not how fiction works. If Chekov and Khan say they met back then, then they did. There’s nothing in any episode that contradicts that.
If, in Chekov’s first appearance in Season 2, someone said explicitly, “Hey, Pavel, this is the first time you are joining us on this starship,” then that’s different. But nothing like that happened, so there’s nothing to explain.
Two observations: 1. They sure have gussied up those external graphics!
- Damn! Her dress is short!
The future looks good.
Ah, but if someone is not shown meeting someone else but later claims to know them, doesn’t that violate the rule about the gun hanging over the fireplace? :dubious:
What’s that rule called again? I seem to have drawn a blank here…
(I’m being facetious. There’s no need for an indignant rebuttal.)
Hey, when you have the space runs because your genetically superior GI tract can’t handle those weird colored cubes that come from the replicator…well, you TOO will remember that guy that kept you waiting.
DeForest Kelly noted during filming that Koenig was not a part of the cast, so it was improbable that Khan and Chekov had ever met. And director Nicholas Meyer had never seen an episode of Star Trek. He stated: “The chief contribution I brought to Star Trek II was a healthy disrespect.” So yeah, Meyer, who also wrote the script uncredited and unpaid, didn’t know and really didn’t care. I can accept that Chekov was part of the crew and just didn’t participate in the events of Space Seed, though. He could have met Khan in passing and just have had a face Khan recognized, even if he couldn’t put a name to it.
Nitpick: In Kirk’s day, they were reconstituted, not replicated. In “Mark of Gideon,” he tells Odonna they have enough food on board to feed 430 people for five years. Holy crap!
[CHEKOV’S VOICE]: Oh, I can accept it. But I won’t enjoy it! :mad:
By that logic, there’s nothing weird or creepy about Darth Vader being the father of **both **Luke and Leia… :dubious:
Because …?
To be clear, the two situations aren’t remotely comparable, but I’m interested in seeing your logic.
Thus foreshadowing Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home all the way back in 1967.
Because they’re both “out of left field,” as it were. They create completely unexpected discontinuities that have to be retconned/fanwanked.
In any event, I was deeply annoyed (practically offended) when during Into Darkness, Spock-Prime said of the Khan he remembered:
Bull. Fucking. Shit. Even if we limit ourselves to just the first season of TOS, the Enterprise dealt with a rapidly-evolving Gary Mitchell, Charlie X, Balok, the Talosians, the Romulans, Trelane, the Metrons, and the Organians. All of them were as or more dangerous than Khan, and several could have destroyed the Enterprise with casual ease if they felt like it. And when it came time for the final battle in Wrath of Khan, Kirk bitchslaps Khan like the amateur he is.
To me, that moment in Into Darkness had a genuine “We’ve always been at war with Eurasia” vibe to it - i.e. whoever the present enemy is, he’s the most dangerous one ever. And when the next enemy comes along, he’ll be the most dangerous ever.