I don’t support Obama because he’s a socialist fool. And strangely enough, I’ve been called bigoted because of that. Anyone who would vote for him based on skin color alone is not worthy of casting a vote, IMNAHO.
It comes in to play with respect to visual perception as well as self-identification. The visual threshold for looking black is lower than the threshold for looking mixed or white. The threshold is low because of the rule. And yes it’s arbitrary. But it doesn’t mean it doesn’t still influence how we classify people.
The very idea of “biracial” is a subtle nod to the one drop rule. People say that Mariah Carey is “mixed” because her mom is white and her father is black. Odds are he is rather mixed himself (given how ambiguous MC and her brother is), but we call him black out of convention. We do this without even thinking about it.
White guilt. No white guilt. Who gives a fuck? You’re a whiney fringe who blames everyone but yourself for . . . well, whatever the hell is wrong with you.
You whine about Bush. You whine about race. You whine about republicans. You whine about Iraq, and when you’re called out on your bullshit, your only response is how the rest of us don’t know what we’re talking about.
I swear, you’re the whiniest, most deluded dickhead on the board, Dio. You tell writers in Cafe Society that they don’t know anything about the writers strike. You mouth off to teachers and academic librarians in Great Debates about how you’re the only one who knows the truth about classroom evals. I’m not sure what you’re credentials are. You mentioned something in that Great Debates thread about going to some pogue-assed bullshit college. Did you actually graduate and get a degree in bullshitology, or are you just one of those undereducated, underemployed jerk-offs who think they’re the smartest people on the planet now that Feynman is dead?
I’m curious, man. When the fuck are you going to get off your ass and actually do something with your life that involves learning about your environment. I’m not really concerned about you, per se, but boy, it’d sure be nice to read something by you that *doesn’t * immediately remind me of all the other fringes who keep wandering into my library and annoying the circ staff.
Yes, this seems to be thing that some people are missing. Unless you have an identifiable White parent, then you’re generally assume to be Black, not “mixed”. And even if you do have a White parent, chances are high that you’re going to be considered Black. It would be the odd situation where the person was considered White. It’s not exactly a one drop rule, but it’s the legacy of that social norm.
I remember when Halle first came on the scene (back in the Boomerang days), I just assumed she was a light-skinned black person. I agree that over time she has become more ambiguous, though. I attribute that to the work done on her nose.
Such as statement shows that you don’t know much about Obama or about Socialism.
I agree with your statement. I don’t think it disagrees with what I said earlier however.
As to Halle, I am not sure when I became aware of her, but I never thought of her as a black actress. I don’t think I really noticed her until Bulworth.
Jim
Ironically the only demographic that has anything to do with my support of Obama is the fact he’s (sorta kinda) half-Muslim. If he were Muslim I couldn’t support him, but the fact that he researched the religion his father was born into (but renounced) and lived in a Muslim country (though raised by a secular mother) actually was one of the first things that made me say “Hmmm… he might be worth looking into”. After two administrations of fucking idiots who can’t tell you the rather damned important difference between a Shi’ite and a Sunni (let alone other religious and ethnic divisions) even though THEY’RE DECIDING POLICY AND STRATEGY IN A SHI’ITE V. SUNNI DIVIDED NATION (???) I thought "Barack probably at least has a better understanding of the importance of the differences to practitioners in Iraq and Afghanistan (remember that little country? Whatever happened to them?) than the fucking mongoloids who got us into the mess that the next president will have to get us out of.
I was also drawn to the fact that he’s highly intelligent and well read and articulate. He can speak extemporaneously yet authoritatively on many subjects even without his keepers there, something I much liked and miss about Bill Clinton (who say what else you will about him is brilliant- can you even begin to imagine Bush speaking about nanotechnology or stem cell research and sounding like he knows what the hell he’s talking about, which I’ve heard both Clinton and Obama do?). His policies I have some problems with but fewer than I do with McCain’s (whose views on abortion alone would disqualify him to me, and this from a gay male who’ll never need one- it’s just the “what the fuck right do you have to tell citizens what they can and cannot do with their own bodies [when it does not affect other people]?” and “THAT’S NOT WHAT A FUCKING GOVERNMENT IS FOR!” factors). I don’t like Hillary Clinton (I’m not a Hillary basher- I’ll even vote for her if she’s the nominee) but more importantly I don’t think she’ll ever have the support to force legislation through a hostile Congress if necessary, plus I disagree with several of her domestic policies.
My vote is not a decision I would ever make because of a dumbass thing like race or looks or regionalism (unless perhaps the candidate was Matt Damon or Casey Affleck and they promised to come around in a thong to supporter’s houses after the election to show appreciation). The next president is going to have one of the hardest jobs for anybody who has ever entered office, that being to fix the royal and global clusterfuck made during the last 8 years. I support Obama because I believe he’s got the intelligence, education, youth, tact, and charisma (which in 2008’s 24-7 Mediaworld is not just a trivial asset) to pull it off.
Man, you are one pathetic douchebag. If I had any idea who you were, I might even give a shit.
For the record, yes I graduated and I haven’t been unemployed since I was 16.
By the way, Linty Fresh, you used “per se” incorrectly. Don’t use words if you don’t know what they mean. It just makes you look stupid.
Just out of curiousity, would you mind sharing, in general terms, your education level and current employment?
His usage was not really wrong as far as I can see. The rest of it was pretty fucked up though. 
I assure you Dio has a college degree and a job.
I’ve shared those things many times on this board already. I have a BA in Religious Studies and Classical Languages. While I’ve had many different kinds of jobs, including a stint in the military, innumerable jobs as a line cook, a failed career trying to front a rock band and a few years teaching and working with LD kids in elementary schools, I am now currently a Habilitation Counsellor for people with disabilities.
Per se is Latin for “by itself” (or “in itself”). I probably see it used incorrectly more than I see it used correctly.
Living in Chicago, I voted for Harold Washington in 1983 (and 1987), Carol Moseley Braun in 1992 (and 1998) and Barack Obama in 2004. And yet I am still stricken with liberal guilt. When will it finally go away? 
Oh god yes. Constantly. Constantly. As in, it is used instead of the word ‘white’. All the time.
Except, the same way ‘nigger’ is said ‘nigga’, ‘cracker’ is said ‘cracka’.
Interestingly, (to me alone, I’m sure) I have never heard a white person say ‘nigga’ or ‘cracka’ quite…right.
They sort of stress the last sound…“niggA”. But it is not said that way. It is more like ‘niggeh’…kind of flows out and trails off. Same with “crackeh”…it sort of trails off at the end.
But to the OP…probably not a lot of real white guilt out there, huh? I have always been dubious about the concept. Whites who vote for Obama have all sorts of reasons, I’m sure. Good ones and silly ones. I bet ‘white guilt’ is not prominent among those reasons at all.
Thank you. Based on your postings, it does seem possible that you are underemployed.
I know what it means, but it was close enough not to be nitpicked. I think his use has become a common usage outside of legalese.
Not until you give a nigga a cracka.