I don't believe you when you say diet and exercise don't work. It's also kind of insulting.

I’m an unapologetic overweight person (according to BMI) that eats when he is hungry. I’d rather not starve myself because the media says I should. Also, I surround myself with people who love me for me. If I were to gain a few pounds, they would still love and appreciate me. I love food and it has to be good-tasting food. Also, I feel great about myself and I refuse to diet just to make myself better-looking or healthier in the eyes of those around me.

The fact that you are trying to say that easy=easy to understand illustrates my point perfectly.

And yes many don’t believe that it is simple. Many convince themselves that it is very complicated and use it as an excuse to not do something that is difficult.

This has nothing to do with the media. It has nothing to do with looks (although that is a nice byproduct). I will never look like a model. I doubt anyone in this thread will. If you are healthy and if your weight doesn’t limit you good for you. But if you can’t go upstairs without breathing heavy or see weight related health problems in your future you might want to rethink your position.

I have no idea what your point is here. If I assert that Task X is “simple,” one reasonable interpretation of that claim is that Task X is easy. Of course other interpretations are possible.

When you asserted that when you quit smoking, you “just stopped smoking,” it’s reasonable to understand this as a claim that it was not a very difficult thing.

Now you apparently claim that you meant something else. Well what else did you mean?

If all you meant was that the physical aspect of quitting was simple, you would be trivially correct, of course. Is that what you meant? If so, do you seriously believe that anyone doesn’t know (or disputes) your point? If so, then you are arrogant and idiotic.

Do you think that playing word games makes you sound smart? It doesn’t. There is a reason why everyone here thinks you are a fucking moron.

Lol, you are the one playing word games.

You asserted that when you quit cigarettes, you “just stopped smoking.” i.e. you arrogantly and idiotically made it sound like it was not difficult at all. Now that you’ve been called on it, you pretend that’s not what you meant at all. Of course you refuse to say what you actually meant.

Not everyone – just people who can’t bear to be shown the disconnect between their emotion-driven beliefs and reality. And people like yourself who can’t accept that they said something boneheaded.

I am sorry monstro but what the hell are you doing restricting your calories?

In fact the reward systems in the brain that deal with food intake and various drug addictions overlap quite a bit. The “simple” story of obesity includes inflammation and consequent dysfunction in those reward systems that can begin with exposures in the fetal environment (similar but different to how a baby can be born addicted to herion) and further inflammation/dysfunction induced by ongoing exposures and the ongoing effects of increased fat mass. Which of course is why the newly approved medications to treat obesity are mainly active in those brain areas.

There is also some interesting work demonstrating how regular exercise impacts those brain reward systems and helps modify the “set point.”

If I may be so bold as to modify that statement:

If you are healthy, eating a healthy diet in moderation (including at least 5 servings of fruits and vegetables a day and eating mostly real food as opposed to food-like substances), and physically active, engaging in at least 30 minutes a day of moderately intense activity most days of the week, or at least 20 minutes a day of vigorous activity at least 3 days a week (minimally) then good for you whatever your BMI*. If you are not doing those things then you should be, especially (but not exclusively) if you are already overweight or obese. Doing those things are important for both physical and mental health. Waiting until you are unable to go upstairs without breathing heavy or on the cusp of weight related health problems would be stupid.

Arthritis? Other physical impairment? There are still things you can do that count as exercise. You can still eat a healthy diet. No, you do not need a physical trainer. You do not need a gym. Indeed you may not lose a ton of weight. Or at least as much as you want to, or enough to shut up the judgmental statements about you from the likes of some who post here. Big effing deal. Do it anyway.

That still simple enough for all of you?

*Okay, some concern still regarding both the states of morbid obesity and underweight.

You sound like a guy I would laugh at at the gym. And you sound a little skinny fat as well.

DSeid has been nothing but civil in this thread. Only a dick would respond to his posts the way you have, Rand Rover.

It’s not restrictive for me. 1600 calories/day maintains my current weight of 125 lbs, which is perfectly reasonable. Yes, I could weigh more and still look cute, but I like how fetching my legs look at this weight. :slight_smile:

I usually let my hair down on Fridays and Saturdays, FWIW.

Yup. A pathetic attempt at bullying.

Yup, you sound like the sort of jerk that does laugh at others in the gym.

You are criticizing my resistance training component? About undulating periodization.

I am not a bodybuilder and I do not have a beach body. My definition of “fitness” at closing in on 53 is to that when my youngest daughter, now eleven, gets married perhaps, in maybe 20 years, I will not only be able to dance all night at the wedding but be looked to as one of the four to carry her obese mother-in-law during the chair dance … and with luck maybe at one of my older kids’ (all currently unmarried and without children, oldest 26) kids’ Bar or Bat Mitzvahs as well. I am on target for that. I’ll take dance all night at the youngest kid’s kids’ B’nai Mitzvot. The chair dance then might be an unrealistic goal.

I am happy that I can do a half Ironman, sprint my 15 mile round trip bike ride to work and back, and bench substantially more than my bodyweight more than a dozen times a set. I can pop off 15 towel pull-ups and then immediately another dozen wide grip on the bar. Can’t get the damn planche for more than a few seconds though and hand stand push ups, even against the wall, evade me. And my swimming form leaves much to be desired.

And of course the playground kid that lives deep inside me still wants to be strong enough to beat the shit out of bullies like you. I long ago learned how to control that version of me but he is still there, deep inside.

I don’t have such self-restraint. I’ll hold his arms back while you punch him in the gut!

This says a lot about your character.

monstro, RR represents what those who are fat and going to the gym have to deal with. The adult version of the kid who bullied other kids on the playground. “Dick” doesn’t even begin to approach it.

Mind my asking, what is your BMI now? Liking your legs to look fetching is nice, but given your past difficulty in being seriously underweight, and the effort it took for you to get up to a healthier level, trying to limit your calories seems to be a decision worth questioning.

I give you a hearty kudos for this.

Feel free to be that bold anytime. It’s a bit harder for me to long form reply on my phone. BMI is a general guideline. I don’t pay too much attention to it.

I was responding that 2300 calories for maintenance isn’t a lot for some individuals. When I’m in my exercise mode, I shoot for 3000+ calories a day, and still can feel like I could eat a lot more. When I was dieting in the 1700-1900 calorie range, I definitely noticed it feeling like not a lot of food (at first, until I got used to reasonable portion sizes again, and found strategies to bulk up the food without adding too many calories), although I did remain sated.

Well, I stand corrected. You now sound like a strong-ass motherfucker–sincere kudos for that (assuming you aren’t blowing smoke up our asses)*.

But just pick up heavy things and put them down for christ’s sake–what’s with all the fancy bullshit? That’s why I said I would laugh at you at the gym–it sounded like you would be doing curls in the squat rack while standing on a bosu ball or something equally ridiculous.

*You are big on applying averages to the people posting to this thread and calling us hypocrites based on those averages–well, how many people can bench substantially more than their bodyweight? Not too damn many. Therefore, based on your own criteria for call us all hypocrites, we all have good grounds for calling you a liar. And THAT is why I got on your ass in the first place–your ignorant use of averages and your attack of everyone on the anti-fatty side of this thread based on them.

Piss off.

Guess you didn’t learn anything. Oh well, I tried.

I must admit-I laugh on the inside at the guys doing these things at the gym. It’s always the same rail-thin guys who spend 30 minutes “blasting” their forearms. :smiley: