As a recovering alcoholic (three and a half years sober, thank you very much) that is also very fucking hard. I love the feeling that alcohol gives me and I will always have to be on guard of slipping back into my old ways.
I suspect that eating is similar for many people. Hell for most people it’s a lot more satisfying snarfing down a bag of Doritos than eating an apple.
As a person who also fights his weight on occasion I know how that feels as well. Right now I’m on the downslope having lost 35 lbs in seven months and as usual the cravings are coming back.
I wanted so bad to drop by Quick Trip for a quart of Ben & Jerry’s double fudge delight last night but I didn’t.
I’m on the road a lot for business. Do you know how hard it is to eat healthy on the road? Hmm a quarter pounder with cheese or a grilled chicken Ceaser salad . I end up with the fucking salad and unsweetened tea.
You can make all of the excuses you want. It still comes down to consuming less calories than you take in regardless if you work out or not.
Yeah it’s goddamned hard, so is never taking another drink.
Those of you that will say it’s not the same thing, maybe not, but it’s damn close.
I honestly don’t think that I’m “limiting” myself. I indulge in every craving that sweeps me (all of my teeth are “sweet”), and I never go to bed hungry. It’s just that I’ve become more mindful about what I do in general. Calorie counting is a part of this.
Maybe I can try to be more mindful about my mindfulness.
Nothing you said excuses or explains a response of “You sound fat.” to my post #255. The only reason to post that shit is to attempt to bully instead of actually address the contents of the post. Instead presume the poster is fat and can be cowed by a diversion about his being “a fattie.”
Accusing me of lying, even obliquely, does not exactly provide any reason to reconsider the conclusion that you are a former schoolyard bully whose main regret in life is that adulthood offers fewer opportunities to pick on others and a less approving audience.
Ambivalid, I am sorry if this sounds nasty, but well, maybe laughing at others was the real reason you wee kicked out of Planet Fitness? The likes of RR is why there is a market for places like that. People there are hypersensitive to it, that’s why they go there. Even a few smirks at some stupid lifting some did might have been the real reason, not your dropping the weight an inch or two. Thank you though for the kudos. I appreciate them.
As for my balance disc work … I am an old married and care naught for vanity muscles. OTOH I care a good deal about core and preventing injuries. Closed eye squats with lighter weights on the disc, alternate armed squat curl to shoulder press on the disc, alternate armed bent over rows on the disc, all both work the core and keep my low injury record going (the injuries I had have been shoulder from skiing and bike accidents, but I’ve yet to significantly injure an ankle). Why what RR’s little brain considers “fancy bullshit”? It aint that fancy, just more than he understands. For me at least the greater the variety in my fitness regimin the better. Different sorts of lifting different days of the week and mixing up what I do all the time. It keeps it more fun and interesting and I think gives me better results at least for my stated fitness goals. (And for RR’s information, my 12 rep set is currently 180 pounds. You can decide if 20% over counts as “substantially.” The strongest in a gym I won’t be and I am not “big”, but I am satisfied with where I am at.)
For you perhaps the calorie mindfulness should be just as much a “not less than” as a “not more than” along with keeping the choices mostly good ones?
Back to the 2300 calories. Yes, I’d agree that 2300 is not a restrictive diet for someone 190 pounds. Mayo Clinic has a calorie estimator online. Its limitations acknowledged it would still estimate someone my age and gender at 190 only needing that much if I was between “active” and “very active” and 1900 if I was “somewhat active.”
Nope, doesn’t sound nasty; it sounds fuckin’ insane. Planet Fitness doesn’t employ mind-readers. :eek:
And why are you jumping on me? I was giving you props for your workout.
I got more lazy and ate more crap and more frequently. Getting older probably helped as well. I make no claim that it is or was healthy or even healthier for that matter but it was easy as shit (for me).
I will also note that I have reached a weight limit that I now prefer not to exceed. Now if I exceeded it because I knew it from weight training (beef cake!) or some such that would be okay. But given that at the present time it would NOT be gained muscle mass I am now keeping an eye on that line.
I’ve started cutting back on portion sizes a bit. I’ve drank sugar with my coffee since Nixon was in office. I decided that no sugar coffee is drinkable and have doing that for a month or so. I am a lover of fried foods. Now, more often than not I decide “uhhh, probably not a good idea” and pass on that most of the time. When we go out to eat I almost always save about half to eat the next day.
So, yeah… I do have some control over what I eat. Is it easier for me than others? Shit yeah. Am I often a bit hungry and just say “no” or mindful of what I eat most of the time? Yes.
It’s weird, but most of my cravings have vanished (-60 pounds on). Aside from the Buddhist thing I’ve been working on, I think that the junkiest of the junk foods typically has this…unsavory aftertaste (I know things like Doritos or Little Debbie cakes do), and having taken a long break from them, on those rare occasions when I’ve tried them again, that aftertaste just kills whatever meager impulse made me sneak them in the first place. For my birthday last week I splurged on a single slice of white cake-and couldn’t finish the damned thing. Didn’t want to.
I did not accuse of lying RR. Even now I am not saying you are lying, just imagining things.
I have said you have made a pathetic attempt at bullying. I have said you are a jerk. That “dick” does not suffice. Oh a few other observations. But lying? Nope not that. I believe you when you say you laugh at other people in the gym, that that is the sort of person you are.
I have said that you have offered no other explanation than a pathetic attempt at bullying for why you responded to my post 255 with “You sound fat.” Do want to offer one?
billfish678, okay. My hope of helping you understand how losing weight is neither easy or simple by relating it to an experience of having difficulty gaining weight is throughly dashed. Ah well. For many who are underweight it is not so easy. It is very difficult to force themselves to eat more and actually overeating causes a significant increase in what gets called “non-exercise activity thermogenesis” (NEAT) and they consequently burn more (something that does not happen when the obese overeat). The body often defends an underweight condition as much as it can an obese one. Gaining more paradoxically often entails exercising more as well, but with a focus on resistance activity, and timing meals to foster greater gain. I had hoped that recognizing a past experience with that complexity and difficulty would foster understanding of how going the other direction can also be complex and difficult. Oh well.
Yes, it is simple but unlike that moron Brazil I think you can tell the difference between easy and simple (or at least relatively so).
Yeah yeah…the people that say “just eat less” probably aren’t helping matters much. OTOH people with weight problems acting like unless you understand quantum physics, have nutrional and statistical PHDs on call and a gazillion other impossible things weight loss can not be done.
IMO the “its impossible!” lie many (not all) overwieght people tell themselve and everybody else does more harm than good.
Guess what, MOST people that are not overweight don’t do that. The don’t have spreadsheets and a gazillion internet links and a team of medical doctors on staff. They eat a bit less (and better) and are a bit more active.
Most people a generation or two ago were not overweight enough to be a medical concern. Today, not so much. Life and the food supply 40 years ago was not IMO so different from today as to not be comprehensible.
IMO most people today just don’t WANT to eat and live metabolic wise as if it was circa 1970. Fine if that is somebodies choice. But our very recent ancestors were not superhuman.
Honest, 24-hr food-journals; recorded for a week or so, can really open a person’s eyes when it comes to just how much food actually passes through their lips everyday. Emphasis on “honest” (as well as accurate); it does no good to lie to yourself. I know many people swear up and down they keep an eagle’s eye on just how much and of what they eat but so many people are surprised (and not in a good way) when they do a food journal.
Am I really the only person here that isn’t fat and doesn’t work on it?
I am skinny. I eat food, I drink beer. My job involves activity.
How does one become fat by accident?
Fat is an excuse. Put away the fork and take a walk, lardass.
Eating whatever you want eventually catches up to you. And you can be amazed at how fat creeps up on you when you don’t realize it. Back when I was in college I thought I was skinny too and pigged out freely and unself-consciously. That is, until a nurse put the calipers to my belly and told me I needed to lose 5 lbs. I was crushed but it inspired me to care more about myself. Now I look at pictures of myself from that time and I can’t believe I had to have a nurse point out the obvious.
I’m betting if this isn’t true for you now, it soon will be.
Billifish I kind of agree, but I think you are confusing weight loss with never gaining weight in the first place, which are two very very different beasts.
As in yes if you eat like 1970 you wont gain weight. But if you’ve gained substantial weight, its not quite so simple to ‘just eat like 1970’ to get back there again. Theres a pretty big mountain of evidence to back that up.
Which is why I think the main solution generationally will be trying to get it right with kids in the first place.
I would agree that there is something to be said for your point.
And as some others here have said or implied at the very least STOPPING from GAINING weight is a good thing and certainly better than CONTINUEING to gain weight till you die.
or a grilled chicken Ceaser salad 
. I end up with the fucking salad and unsweetened tea.