Rep. Kennedy was speaking the truth. The fact is, no one in his rotten family has EVER held a job, since Granpa Joe made a fortune bootlegging. This boob (known as “Patches”) has the IQ of a watermelon…he has trashed rented sailboats, and buying his seat in congress cost the family an estimated $70/vote. Not to worry-he is being groomed to be the next RI senator.
This is what the Kennedy clan is all about…3rd generation ,inherited wealth, utterly brainless.
Whether you were a he or a she, you were still presented as the subject of the sentance.
And then we get the old “I don’t have to argue for it, because you’d just never understand.”
After declaring me insensible, you’ve basically just outed yourself as entirely clueless as to me or my point. I don’t agree with Kennedy that he should pay more taxes. Or, actually, I agree that he can pay more taxes, and I wonder why he doesn’t just do so if it’s so important to him: no one is forcing him personally to accept a tax cut. I fail to see how any liberal worth his salt could possibly put up with my position, but apparently, simply because I oppose your subjective characterization of something, I MUST be playing at being an extreme liberal partisan! Very telling, I think, of the character of your judgements.
All I was pointing out is that someone saying “Look, this tax cut is hardly the most important thing in the world when it’s prime beneficiaries are people like me that don’t even have to work” is very far from assholish.
You seem to think that you would find a similar comment as assholish from a Republican, but I sincerely doubt it: you really seem more as if you’d go out of your way to interpret Kennedy’s statement as assholish simply because you were instructed to by the OP. If you are so obssesed with class warfare that you scream in morck outrage just because someone uses a fact in an arguement, then I think the problem likely lies with you and some sort of deep-seated hatred for the rich.
Personally, I don’t have anything against people not working, and being rich, AND not getting taxed more than they ultimately demand in public services (which, as to whether or not they are, is quite another debate). There is no more or less glory in spending your life in a hammock contemplating the universe than there is in making baby formula in a factory.
To answer both you and elucidator - you would not believe how little I read of yours and elucidator’s posts. In fact, pretty much NONE of them. People who are so one-sided they defy all bounds of decorum and reality, be they liberal or conservative, don’t have my “attention”. Which is a real shame because it cuts one off from the potential of learning and hearing a wide range of viewpoints on any issue.
However, now that I am suddenly reading them today, elucidator might want to review the last thing he said to me in another thread - it could be taken as some sort of vague and bizarre threat, and that will not be allowed to stand if, in fact, it is. At a minimum, a clarification is in order.
Well, you seem not to understand what I said. That’s not the end of the world.
“Outed myself as entirely clueless”? What the hell are you talking about? I said exactly this:
So there’s no chance at all that you just don’t understand how it could be insulting to someone? It has to be one of the other choices then? I don’t buy that.
You see, you’ve crossed the line now. I stated that you simply might not have understood the position I put forward. YOU question my honesty directly, and with no proof for your position whatsoever. Then you accuse me of, essentially, class envy? (That would be highly ironic if true).
Why are you making this so personal? Why are you essentially calling me a liar above, with no proof whatsoever? Do you really want to pick a fight that badly with ME on here over a difference of opinion on what makes an asshole and asshole?
Anthracite you posted a big fat target, so I had my fun with it. Throw a couple jabs at Dio (who, as you know, tends to get kinda uppity if you don’t keep him in line…)
As the years advance, I find that those portions of my brain which have not actually turned to cheese are not always accessible. I have only the vaguest recollection of what you speak. Don’t take that too hard, it has nothing to do with relative importance, there are whole years of my life I cant remember any better.
So I’ll just leave it at this: at no time have I ever posted anything that should be construed as a threat, either explicit, implicit, vague or downright delusional. You are more likely to be glowered upon by a dandelion.
As Eugene V. Debs is my witness, I have never knowingly posted a lie.
Believe what you will.
Yours truly,
Betty Noyer
In the case of the wealthy, it’s not so much tact and courtesy as a matter of self-preservation. If the poor and the middle class had any IDEA how different it is to be born into a life of privilege, a lot less of the pap that passes for conservative economics would be bought by them.
Am I talking class warfare? Yes I am.
I think we’re in a state of class warfare right now, but the poor and the middle class aren’t fighting back. I think it’s way past time they did. Conservatives howl “class warfare” whenever anyone ciriticizes their plans to give America’s wealth over to the wealthy and the super-wealthy. They’re right. They’re just pretending that the wealthy haven’t been engaging in class warfare on the middle class and the poor for the last couple of decades.
You’re not going to believe this (as I apparently am a liar about everything) but I not only did not wish to attack you, personally, in any way in this thread, I really have no desire to do so for any reason. When I say that I don’t read your threads, posts, etc. it is not from dislike, but more from a standpoint that we seem to be people who are on such different ends of the spectrum in terms of beliefs and standpoints, that really nothing can come of interaction save friciton and unhappiness. The same applies for Mr. Diogenes, who I do not dislike in any way, but who is a person that is not likely to ever have a meeting of the minds with me on any subject, and who (like yourself, and like MYSELF, I suppose) is not really going to to change that much.
Really, my initial post in this thread was just to express dislike of what I took to be privledged people, or a person, lording over others in a fashion. It seems to have opened me up to personal attacks. This could be because it seemed like I was making personal attacks on people posting in this thread, and if so, I do apologize to anyone who has posted in this thread.
This is not an earth-shattering issue or thread for me, and I’ll happily leave it be and will quite happily just agree to disagree on the interpretation of the OP, unless there’s going to be more back-and-forth from people on my honesty in my postings.
Una
Hey, no hurt no foul, dear heart. But you start slinging phrases like “filthy pathological liar” about, well, gee, what do you expect?
Not exactly Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm, ya know?
I understand that anything can be insulting to people that spend their lives looking to be insulted by people whom it would be convienient to be insulted by.
I don’t agree that what Kennedy said was particularly insulting ESPECIALLY not in the context it was placed.
I don’t need to accuse you: you obviously are clearly and demonstrably so obsessed with differences of class that any mention of it seems to send you into a carefully offended outrage.
You’re kidding, right? If you can get this ridiculously offended in a non-partisan way, then I commend you and I admit that my doubts were unfounded. But I still reserve the right to think your shrill outrage is a ridiculous posture, whether it is partisan or not.
Do you have proof of YOUR position that, if confronted with a similar situation on the other side of the aisle, you’d react the same way? Has this ever actually happened to you?
Terribly sorry, but it doesn’t work that way here on the SDMB. The last I checked, the burden of proof was on you for making the accusation or insinuation. Not on me to prove myself innocent.
So, go to it. Use that Search function and find where I’ve defended, rather than condemned, a conservative or republican who acted in even a somewhat similar manner to the OP. And post the link to the thread(s) here. Alternately, if you can’t find that, then post a link to a similar story or accounting of an event involving a conservative/republican and see if I act as an apologist for them, or condemn them.
Or withdraw your insinuation and end this debacle. I don’t have any desire to keep this going, but as long as you’re going to refuse to just politely concede/admit that there is not a meeting of the minds on this issue and move on, I’m going to have to respond to you.
Two choices, pick one.
PS - for all your claim that I’m in “outrage” and “ridiculously offended”, you are sounding quite shrill here yourself. Maybe you should really take a step back and consider how what you write here would look as viewed by a third party? 
Reepicheep, I see you’re new here. Welcome aboard! I have a bit of advice for you:
Citing a government-run publication to defend the president’s military record isn’t going to sway any opinions around here. That publication is no more reliable than the state-run newspaper of a communist state.
Note that I am not saying anything about what President Bush or Rep. Kennedy did. I work in politics all day, and I grow weary quickly of discussing it out of work. But, regardless of your argument, make sure you’re using sources that at least have a chance of being objective. A government-run publication, inherently, does not.
Bullshit. “The government” is not a monolithic mass that has a single-thought hive-mind. It is made of a huge amount of people with a wide variety of opinions, some of which would happily dish any dirt they legally could, and some they legally can’t, on Bush.
Also, your post comes off as extremely condescending to Reepicheep. If that was your goal, you suceeded quite well.
Hey december did we find those tons of WMD’s, Saddam, Osama, the economic recovery, balanced budget or educational programs we were promised yet?
I am sure we will find them soon (as we plant them).
Remember you’re OP about how swimmingly things were going in Iraq? Still want to stick with that one?
:rolleyes:
Did you mean to post this to some other thread?
Nope. I saw how up you were on the political news so I wondered if you might have some answers to questions of actual importance. Do feel free to try and answer the question though.
Although I did mean “your” not “you’re”. :smack:
I may have missed some previous averrance of yours on this subject, elucidator, but could you clarify just which sector of the proletariat you toil in? Thanks.
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I suggest a trial of ginkgo biloba. 
“There’s not a damn thing wrong with redistribution of wealth, btw.”
Really, Diogenes? I make $32, 000 a year. How much do you make? If you make any more than I do, then you are completely comfortable with outright giving me half of your extra? After all, there is nothing wrong with redistribution of wealth, right?
Jesus fucking CHRIST, this argument pisses me off!! I work fucking HARD for my money and I’ll be goddamned if I share a fucking CENT of it with anybody (shit, EVERYBODY) who makes less than I do, just BECAUSE they make less than I do.
And yes, I DO help out charitably. I donate a substantial amount of my money AND TIME to various charitable causes. But it’s by my choice, not by some mis-guided stupid-ass economic theory.
My brother started a paper route early, at age 10, if I recall correctly. He was therefore able to buy extra toys of his own. I still recall running to my father, crying, “WAAAAHHH!!! He’s got more toys than I do!”
Dad just smacked me and said, “That’s because he earned them, stupid!”
You wouldn’t be able to earn jack shit without the government. The US government makes it possible for you to live and maintain a job and the governmentv deserves its cut. Fuck you if you don’t like it. Build your own fucking roads, haul your own fucking garbage, defend your own fucking borders.
Do you think the government has any responsibility at all to those who are the most defenseless. Are children entitled to eat? To get an education? To health care?
I wasn’t really talking about the working class anyway, i was talking about the filthy, stinking rich. I don’t care what anyone says nobody earns a billion dollars and AFAIAC nobody has a right to be a billionaire as long as we have homeless kids in this country. IMO, if you have too much money the government needs to take it away from you and give it to people that need it. No one has a right to unlimited wealth without responsibility. If I sound like a socialist that’s because I am one. You don’t have to agree wiyth me, i don’t give a shit, but I think the capitalist ideal is fucking stupid. It’s a cult of greed. Capitalist greed is the source of about 95% of the problems in the world today. It’s an amoral, selfish, sociopathic system and it’s time for that system to go.
I’ve a rather varied resume. Cab driver, waitron, unskilled worker, garbage collector, professional astrologer and teacher of same, artist. Briefly, I was the worst electric bass player in the Twin Cities. Oh, wait, I never got paid for that.
The biggest checks I cash say “Applications Developer”, which is just about the bottom of the Comp Geek food chain. I consult with middle management about Access and Excel, seeking to maximize the utility and ease for the end user. Then I do exactly what the dim-wits tell me to do. You are familiar with the expression “FUBAR”?
But please don’t tell my Mom. She thinks I produce child porn and sell drugs at the local high school.
The unfortunate word was not “f***ing”, it was “worked”.
This was a gathering of Democratic political activists, after all.
Regards,
Shodan