I don't understand what voters Trump could've picked up between 2016 and 2020

Sure, here’s one:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SharikaSoal84

Thanks!

Interesting. I do wonder where she gets that.

As she also makes accusations about liberals being pedos and that she things that they are disgusting and retweets debunked doctored video, I’m not sure that I can really take any of her claims at face value.

I agree that that is what she thinks, and how she feels, but her conclusions are not shaped by reality.

How to reach someone who is that divorced from reality, I don’t know, but I don’t think that she is the sort that we should really be putting much effort into reaching anyway.

Her pinned tweet is “Cops leave you alone if you don’t break the law.” Counterfactual claim. I am sorry to lose her support for a more inclusive and egalitarian society, but I’m not sure that she ever would have supported it anyway.

It would appear she was maybe molested as a child, in an adoptive family? So sad :pleading_face:

I can see why she would jump on some of the QAnon pedo stuff, it struck a chord with her. But I would definitely venture to guess she isn’t representative of the unexpected Black and Latino voters for Trump.

You’re all being so nice.

I think she’s a delusional fucking lunatic expert at self promotion.

Well, honestly, I think calling her a “conservative black woman” is a bit insulting to conservatives. A reactionary, sure. And, yes, with a bit of a… loose relationship with reality.

Agreed. A bad example to use.

This is the plot of basically every Hallmark Xmas movie.

I would love to see the Hallmark Christmas movie where the small town gal forced to spend Christmas with the city slicker realizes what a boring, backward shithole she’s from and decides to move somewhere with upwardly mobile job opportunities and diverse cultural offerings.

Haha! Me too, I’d love it!

Well, the world kinda is coming to an end.

  • We’ve had more hurricanes than we have names for this year. Climate change, anyone?
  • We have a massive pandemic and our nation’s “leaders” stole PPE from my state when we needed it most, and continue to discourage their followers from taking basic precautionary measures.
  • We have literal Nazis marching in the streets, and the president says nice thing about “some” of them. My Temple dues increased to pay for the increased security measures we have taken in response to the increased number of threats we get.
  • We have weird anonymous people literally starting riots and burning police stations (and no, the ones who have been caught haven’t been liberals, they’ve been far-right “activists” setting false flags).
  • We have a supreme court justice who lied blatantly to congress in his nomination hearings, who seems incapable of civility or rational discourse, and who probably attempted rape in his youth.
  • The US has become the laughing stock of the world. We have ceded the mantle of "leader of the free world to … Germany!
  • The rich have gotten richer while the poor have gotten poorer – those coal miners who were worried about their jobs? Auto workers? SOL.
  • The world in general, and my nation in particular, seems like a much worse place than it was 4 years ago.

Journalists – legitimate journalists, not the pseudo-journalists hired by Sinclair News, tend to care a lot about the truth. The biases them towards liberals these days.

I voted for Kasich. I didn’t believe either Clinton or Bernie could possibly win the general election, and I wanted my vote to matter.

this is interesting. Thank you.

Interesting to look at the states which voted heaviest for trump: West Virginia, Wyoming, Tennessee, etc

Georgia went Blue, North Carolina almost went blue, same with Texas. The South is turning blueish.

Because- people are leaving the rural areas in droves.

When a contrast is set up, indeed, this is almost a standard boilerplate. I supposse what is being alluded to is that in entertainment where the plot is not set up to give that contrast, “liberal urban” ways are portrayed as the default norm. I am not exactly seeing that as such a blatant antagonistic thing either, but we know there are people out there for whom even a mere favorable depiction of something they oppose is perveived as a condemnation and attack against what they believe.

Which makes one wonder, how the hell did they think the already-existing racists got to be so.

Not on the Hallmark Channel! According to them, urbanites across America are realizing that landing that big promotion at the publishing company won’t really make them happy, but embracing the quirky charms and slow pace of living in the picturesque small town their car broke down in might. Especially if that ruggedly handsome sheriff keeps coming around.

I will admit that I am not a fan of sitcoms, or most popular entertainment in general, but I will say that it seems to me as though it is the suburb that is most typically portrayed as the norm, rather than either city or urban life.

That’s a good question. Does anyone have the answer?

Maybe we’re suffering apocalypse fatigue. :expressionless:

Journalists also tend to be university educated, live in urban areas, and even if not raised middle class, that’s their social circle. They understand the lives and concerns of the people they hang around with very well, but the lives and concerns of the ‘red tribe’ are foreign to them.

I don’t think I’ve heard anyone say it since 2016. The point is you can’t treat demographic groups as monoliths who all have the same interests or beliefs.

:roll_eyes: They’re bad, they’re wrong, and they need to be re-educated?

How can you fight something if you don’t understand it? I think a lot of voters didn’t care if Trump was racist, or were in denial about it, because they liked other things about him and his platform. That’s not the same as voting for him because he was racist, and a Democrat could potentially adopt some of the non-racist parts in order to appeal to voters.

Pretty much this:

Also, listen to people and don’t assume you always know better than them what their problems are and what the best solution is.

They’re wrong. Some are just decent folks who are very wrong on the facts. The facts can be explained to them, and policies implemented to make their lives better. What else can we do?

Adopting bad policies to appeal to voters is a bad idea. There’s no point to gaining political power just to do dumb things that hurt America.

I’ve never had a problem with any of this. But I feel no need to coddle or cater to the very clearly hateful, or the very clearly ignorant (aside from trying to explain the facts to them), as many Trump supporters are.

Draining the swamp? Having a president who isn’t beholden to corporate donors and will actually do what the voters want? Create more good jobs? I don’t believe Trump ever intended to do what he promised, but I can see why those things are attractive, and they are not dumb things that would hurt America. The biggest problem for the Democrats IMO is that they won’t (can’t?) go against corporate interests to do things that would really benefit their voters.