I was going to start a pit thread about the following, but since it seems like this thread is a catch-all Episode 3 rantfest, I might as well vent my spleen here–
Why Mace Windu is the *second-*dumbest character in Revenge of the Sith:
[spoiler]Mace, ya schmuck! When you’ve found out that the Big Evil Sith Lord Mastermind has been under your nose all this time and disguised as a high-powered government official, blurting out lod your plans to capture the guy right in front of his favorite Jedi (whose loyalties you’re already in doubt about) is a really stupid thing to do! Three points for telling Anakin to stay in the Jedi Council Chambers, but minus ten bazillion for opening your big yap in front of the kid. What if he had a microphone on him, for Pete’s sake?
What Mace should have done was this:
Mace: “Palpatine is the Sith Lord? Great work, Anakin! I’m going to recommend you for full Jedi Masterhood next week for this! Hey, you’ve been working hard, why don’t you go celebrate nad unwind. Here, I’ve got a pair of tickets to the Outer Rim to see Eccentrica Gallumbits, the Triple-Breasted Whore of Eroticon Six. The show’s in three hours, you can catch it if you take the next shuttle out – grab a friend and go have a great time, my treat!”
Anakin: “Thanks, Master Windu! I take back half the stuff I’ve ever said about you! Bye!”
Mace: (pause) “Is he gone? Great. Grab every Jedi we’ve got, w’re gonna go kick some Sith ass. Don’t limit me to the three wusses we have who will fold up like a card table in the first ten seconds, I want everyone we’ve got for this! Hell, grab a few of the brighter students, too – it won’t hurt to have some extra backup for this one. Maybe a sniper or three…”[/spoiler]
And in case you’re wondering, Anakin Skywalker is the *first-*dumbest character in Revenge of the Sith:
[spoiler]Anakin, you’ve just found out that your pal Palpatine is secretly the Big Bad Evil Secret Dark Sith Lord everyone’s been looking for, and that he’s been lying to you the whole time about being a helpless innocent jovial little aw-shucks politician. Why the fuck didn’t you immediately become suspicious about everything else he’s told you before? If he’s been skillfully lying about his identity all this time, it’s possible that he could have been lying about other stuff as well!
Could you imagine if this scene had played out?
Anakin: “My lord, I’ve betrayed my fellow Jedi and slaughtered my friends, just as you ordered. Will you now teach me the dark secrets of eternal life so I may save my hotchie mama?”
Palpatine: “‘Dark secrets of eternal life’? You believed that crazy-ass bullshit? Man, you’re more gullible than I thought! There’s no such secret, I was just jerking your chain around, ya idiot! Psyche!”[/spoiler]
Didn’t read the whole thread. Just wanted to answer this one.
Obviously Leia was remembering Organa’s wife as her mother.
She would have no idea who her “real” mother was.
IMO, the best thing about the movie was how Lucas didn’t have to explain every single detail.
Just gotta say, Larry Mudd, you’ve echoed my thoughts perfectly. ROTS was, for me, a great Star Wars film. I don’t care if it didn’t work for others, but when they start telling me that a film I (and a lot of other people) enjoyed “sucked” unequivocably, of course that’s going to piss me off a bit. Especially when the complaints can typically be summarised as “It was too much of a Star Wars film!” It’s like complaining that Sleepless in Seatle had too much romance and not enough action.
And what’s with people wishing Lucas would die (even in jest)??? That is fucked up. He’s a good man who doesn’t deserve shit like that. I don’t care how bad you think his movies are.
I just want to say that I disagree for 95% with the OP.
I thought this was absolutely the best one of this trilogy.
The acting and dialogue was at least 300% better than in TPM and AotC.
Now one thing I do agree with is the upgrades they gave R2D2.
What the hell was up with that?
I didn’t like the boosters he suddenly has in AotC, but could accept that.
Maybe they broke and nobody ever cared to fix them.
But now he had a whole boatload of gadgets, with would make Batman look like somebody with a Swiss army-knife.
I have to say, Revenge of the Sith didn’t move me the way Star Wars did.
But I’m open to the possibility that the fact that I am no longer seven years old had something to do with it
I liked it. Wooden acting, cheesy script, major plot holes. Lush special effects, sword fighting, Good and Evil with little blinking neon signs over their heads in case you missed anything, a kick ass score, and little touches of goofy humor. It’s Star Wars!
I might actually rent Episodes I and II now, since I’ve never seen them. Did I say that?
…but there is instantaneous (if often very static-ridden) communication and travel from the core to the rim takes a few days at most, hours at best. I think the Empire is functionally the size of a large nation, not the equivalent of the Roman or even British Empire.
What do you make of this:
See if you can follow this: The Jedi were the guardians of order in the Republic - not the Empire. Luke’s father was a Jedi. Luke’s father was killed when the Jedi were hunted down by the Empire and Vader. Luke is only 20 at most
The only logical leap required is to assume that Luke’s father wasn’t some holdout, bnut was hunted down along with all the other Jedi. This must have happened when Republic became Empire. That gives us the 20-year timeframe. No slow decay is implied (well, other than the internal corruption in the still-existant Republic - the novelization mentions this).
Wrong? Wrong??
You obviously have not watched ROTJ enough times.
Where does it say that he was asking about her real mother??
[Quoted straight from IMDB]
Luke: Leia, do you remember your mother? Your real mother?
Princess Leia: Just a little bit. She died when I was very young.
Luke: What do you remember?
Princess Leia: Just… images really. Feelings.
Luke: Tell me.
Princess Leia: She was… very beautiful. Kind, but sad. Why are you asking me this?
Luke: I have no memory of my mother. I never knew her.
So point out to me again where it says “real” mother?? :rolleyes:
Atrocious dialog? I was pleased to see that not only was the atrocious dialog at a minimum here, but the actors were at a higher level of work and actually minimized much of it. Hayden especially surprised me with how much more comfortable he seemed in the role. Same with Natalie, although she was still the weakest actor of the cast.
Massive plot holes? Dude, it’s Star Wars. I’d hope after six movies, you’d be getting that by now.
What would you have preferred? Clone troopers throwing water balloons? Perhaps R2 could have plugged into the ship’s computer and executed a stop/drop/roll maneuver upon landing?
Having Wookies in the film gave us a chance to see their home planet of Kashyyyk, gaze in awe at how tall those bastards tower over Yoda, and give Lucas a chance to crank out more action figures. Besides, wasn’t it just adorable watching Yoda scamper up Chewie’s arm after he beheaded the Clone troopers? Awww!
Palpatine was really Anakin’s only confidant. Oh, sure, there was Obi-Wan, but he was part of the Jedi Council, and nobody on the Jedi Council wanted to give respect to Anakin. Okay, so he’s a little arrogant and impatient – still, he’s got the skillz to pay da billz, does he not? So when the Council shuns him at every opportunity (and let’s face it – Mace Windu especially couldn’t stand him) he’s got Palpatine to reassure him, to let him know how powerful he truly is.
Mace’s death had me cheering over my Reese’s Pieces. Screw that arrogant Jedi bastard and his fellow elitist pricks. Lame? Having your arm cut off, fried by lightning, then tossed across the city of Coruscant like a rag doll is a lame death? Good Lord. And think about this, dude – somebody down on the streets of Coruscant has a pretty damn nice purple lightsaber now. Now, if they’re smart, they’ll put it up on eBay:
L@@K! PURPLE LIGHTSABER ONE OF A KIND, WORKS, NO RESERVE!
Goodbye, slums of Coruscant. Hello, deluxe apartment in the sky (now available, as the previous owner is recently deceased.)
If you had a coughing, wheezing 4-armed alien/droid hybrid thingy holding you hostage, would you not say something to a Jedi stopping by for a bit o’ gas and a pecan nut log? I’d think you’d be counting your lucky stars that the Circle K on the previous planet was closed.
Aw, give R2 some love! He’s got gadgets, and he’s proud of them. By the way, that was not oil that he used on the Super Battle Droids near the beginning of the film. No, the little guy was scared, and that, my friends, was droidarrhea. Just so happens it’s flammable.
As far as all your questions about the 3000+ degree lava and lack of sweat – don’t you know that CGI lava has no heat? It’s like the Diet Coke of lava. No calories, no heat, no harm, no foul.
He knew he was emperor because, way back in elementary school, Palpatine had Obi Wan pass a note for him to a cute Gungan a few rows back. It said “Do you like me? Check one: ___ Yesa! ____ Nosa! --Signed, Palpatine the Emperor.” See, even as a kid, Palpatine knew he’d be emperor some day.
I was expecting they’d get Amidala on board, only to have a chestburster rip through, setting up “Star Wars vs. Aliens,” but I was wrong.
I’ve not seen Team America: World Police, but I’m glad I don’t think about fellatio every time a man kneels in front of another man!
Dude, they were building the Death Star because it’s fucking COOL! They were building it as the ultimate enforcement for the new Galactic Empire. Yeah, it took nearly 20 years to build the damned thing because Home Depot had it backordered. Good thing the Empire was willing to buy it plain vanilla, as custom modifications (choice of laser blast color, extendable middle finger, etc.) would have required another good 20 or 30 years. Now, Death Star II, yeah, of course that went quicker because computer technology had greatly increased (did you know DS II had Intel Inside?), Wal-Mart began carrying them in stock at a cheaper price (and falling every day!), and they eliminated the building of all restrooms and related facilities to speed up construction. It was part of the Emperor’s new “Use the Force – Hold It” campaign.
I always pictured the Empire as a lot like high school. Except with a lot less cute cheerleaders and a hell of a lot more droids and storm troopers.
Wait until you see Yoda join Pepsi to fight Coca-Cola. Oh, you’re gonna love it.
So that’s the secret! the only way the new Star Wars movies don’t stink is if you spend hours and hours reading lots of paperbacks and online “expanded universe” junk to answer all the contradictions and fill the “flaming plot holes” (thanks Tuckerfan I love that phrase) I guess you all get a no-prize.
Funny, I remember when a good movie could stand on it’s own. I remember one being released in 1977 that rocked my world.
This new one was boring and embarrassing, and I’ve seen it twice, so I pit myself.
I don’t know, it just seems that when I bring up a glaring plot hole, the typical response is “Oh, well in the EU cartoon-novelization website they explain that.”
I think there’s a difference between something where there’s a clear contradiction, and something that’s just left unspecified. In ROTS, Chewbacca seems to be an assistant military leader on Kashyyk. In ANH, he’s a smuggler’s buddy. Is that a PLOT HOLE? No, it’s clear that various things happen between those two movies. The fact that we don’t know what they are doesn’t make it a PLOT HOLE.
The Leia-remembering-her-mother things is more of a plot hole… someone who watched the episodes in chronological order, 1-6, would be VERY confused when that scene showed up. Certainly, theories can be proposed that would explain it, but just from watching the movies, we don’t really know what happened.
Nonetheless, that’s a rather tangential, minor, issue. If, on the other hand, for instance, we saw Obi Wan get killed at the end of ROTS, and we knew he was alive in ANH, but you had to read the EU novels to find out that there was cloning involved, THAT would be a definite problem.
